Roses From Cuttings

@wiseowl No, I appreciate the notice mate, it just conjured a funny image in my head, something like a Monty Python sketch. I can certainly understand such restrictions on plants that are propagated for sale, but restricting people from propagating plants for use in their own gardens just seems a bit authoritarian.

Nick

 

Sorrry @wiseowl , it is only illegal to propogate tbem to sell. You can propogate anything you like under PBR ( Plant Breeders Rights ) for use in your own garden.

There is an excellent aricle on the web if you search for Plant Breeders Rights , Cally Gardens by Michael Wickendon..

 

@Janet mahay , if you read the article you will find that yes you can take cuttings from your rose as long as you then keep the subsequent plants in your own garden and don't profit from them.

Did it say PBR on the label ? If not then you have no worries about giving ( or selling ) them to others either.

If a label says " It is illegal to propogate this plant " without having PBR details, just ignore it. That is just unscrupulous nurserys etc trying to frighten you into buying more from them.

 

Appreciate the clarification on that @KFF! I'm not sure if this is the article you were referring to but it was a brief and very interesting read, so I thought I'd link to it.

The Nursery

Nick

 

Hi Nick, yeah that's the one. It just goes to show that even in this seemingly relaxed world of gardening of ours there are still people out there trying to con and make money out of other innocent gardeners.

PS .... Thanks for the link, I can't do that off my phone. Much appreciated

 

Some interesting and informative replies, thanks all

 

Thanks wise owl and KFF I try that and hopefully I will have 2 crazy in love red rose.
I dont plan to sell them and nothing was on the label except the name
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was it some disease or virus that caused the flowers to droop when it was grafted as I noticed and picked them.off yellowing spotted leaves also made sure non fell on ground

I also must say my niebour has many plants except roses but they are so strong and disease free she says cuttings are better in fact she hardly buys any plants from garden centers etc she said they seem to die within a couple of years and sometimes they can have disease

I bought 4 boxs of mushrooms i had to throw them away , some chard, rasberry and cucumber,pepper plant a pure waste of money maybe i should take cuttings more often.

 

This was something I was going to ask, the two roses I bought last year had PBR on them, when googled I found out it was "plant breeder rights" which is in essence copyright, and if what i read is correct some breeders are for it and some against it.

 

The plant breeders act or whatever is like a copyright. OK many of us get all paniccy when learning of such acts etc. A similar act came into force some years back regarding making a copy of your records. I beleive the odd court case came to be, and the judgementscame as a kind of clarification. Whether actually written or not, it's much of, 'Let the reader use discernment' eg: if you make a copy/s and sell them or distribute them, then you are breaking the law. If proven that your intention was to preserve your record in mint condition etc. Then it's unlikly you would be done.

In a similar senario. You spent say £30 on a NEW standard rose. Never mind how skilful you are. The rose can die overnight. So you take a cutting of it, like making a Back-up copy. An application to an English court for such a case wouldn't even be started.

However. If you were a recognised nurseryman or some commercial horticulturist and you got hold of not one but several plants, and started propagating etc. Then the law would come down hard on you.

Yes the breeder has paid out a lot and has spent 8-12 yrs working to produce this plant. YES. He deserves some kind of protection, but think about it. Scenario. Mike Allen. You have been found guilty of taking a cutting from a protected rose bush. Guilty. Mitigating circumstances. I'm 80 yrs old. A council tenant, living on my pension and council tax rebate.

Just imagine if the plant breeder had engaged a duff lawyer to get this far. He/she has already paid out a lot of dosh. What can anyone expect to get from me.

The judge turns to me. So what have you got to say.

The bloody cutting died, m'lud.

It would be a farce.

In the case of a farmer, he buys seed that has this tag on it. He save seed from the harvest to sow for next year. Legally he is OK until he sells or gives some of the seed to a fellow farmer.

At the end of the day. It is an act that leaves so much to chance.

 

I'm thinking about ground layering roses in preference to cuttings. There's a higher percentage of them rooting this way and rooting is much quicker than cuttings.

ground layering roses video uk - Bing video

 

Sheal. I am so pleased you have mentioned this. This method of propagation must be the best. Thank you for posting.

 

I agree, roses are very easy to propagate.

We ran a workshop on taking cuttings back in 2016. Here is how the roses were done:

Donor plant in mid September 2016.


Using a plastic bottle to keep the compost from drying out too fast.


Two out of three made it to the following year.