1. IMPORTANT - NEW & EXISTING MEMBERS

    E-MAIL SERVER ISSUES

    We are currently experiencing issues with our outgoing email server, therefore EXISTING members will not be getting any alert emails, and NEW/PROSPECTIVE members will not receive the email they need to confirm their account. This matter has been escalated, however the technician responsible is currently on annual leave.For assistance, in the first instance, please PM any/all of the admin team (if you can), alternatively please send an email to:

    [email protected]

    We will endeavour to help as quickly as we can.
    Dismiss Notice

Run of the mill seeds

Discussion in 'Gardening Discussions' started by Cuttings, Mar 2, 2020.

  1. Cuttings

    Cuttings Super Gardener

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2020
    Messages:
    517
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Horticulturalist
    Location:
    Keynsham north Somerset
    Ratings:
    +1,200
    As gardeners, most of you will know, that fresh seed, those collected in 2019, and planted 2020, if cleaned and stored correctly will have a germination success rate of 98%, depending on the plant species, if you keep those seed until 2021 the germination success rate drops to approx 68%. The next year it drops again, this is mainly true of annuals and perennials some veg.
    There are species that this is not true, some plants, the seed can remain viable for 100's of years, and some have seed that is a shot in a million to germinate. Some seed needs to be stored differently, Delphinium for example, Pacific hybrids, and Aurora types are fine in packets in the draw, but the Dwarf types need to ge stored at under 5 degrees C to keep viable.
    What I am about to divulge is the truth about seed sold by large companies, to the general public, not your smaller independant companies like Nickys nursery, premier seed etc, I have used those two on numerous occasions with very good results. This is the process by the big companies, you know the ones, in diy stores and GC, with the stands, and the pretty points of sale boards, with rows and rows of seed, priced at £3.95 for 20 seeds etc.
    There are 2 really big seed producers and sellers for the ornamental and fruit and veg seed, that supply growers, that retail to the public, these are PanAmerican seed and Kieft seed, they are now the same company, they produce seed, and stock seed from major plant breeders from around the globe, the seed is stored in controlled storage facilities, and treated by either coating with a fungacide for seed like Lupins etc that are prone to fungal infection, pelleting small seed like lobelia so it easier to handle, and seed that is treated to speed up the germination time, the seed is not put through these processes until its ordered and shipped to the customer, so the seed in storage is natural. At the end of a 2020 season, the unsold seed is sold on to, the forementioned seed sellers, who package it, and sell it on a sale or return bases to gc etc, so the seed that appears in these packets, is generally over 12 months old.
    At the end of the gc season, the unsold seed is counted, returned to these companies, who remove the outer packaging, and sell the foil packets to other companies, who re package it,band sell it for 99p or 89p in discount stores. You will see this in action by some of these larger seed companies have stopped putting plant by dates, or packaged dates on these packets, some just put an abbreviated name of the plant on the foil package inside.
    So the next time you are thinking about buying seed, use a small independant, that has good recommendations or reviews, because its a rip off paying £2.99 for 12 Cucumber seeds that could be 2 years old, and at best 50% will germinate.
     
    • Informative Informative x 8
    • Like Like x 6
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • shiney

      shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jul 3, 2006
      Messages:
      61,379
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired - Last Century!!!
      Location:
      Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
      Ratings:
      +118,527
    • shiney

      shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jul 3, 2006
      Messages:
      61,379
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired - Last Century!!!
      Location:
      Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
      Ratings:
      +118,527
      You can visit Kew's wild gardens and MSB at Wakehurst (note: not Wakehurst Place as Wiki says it is :doh: - as that is a National Trust property).
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • CarolineL

        CarolineL Total Gardener

        Joined:
        Jun 12, 2016
        Messages:
        1,621
        Gender:
        Female
        Occupation:
        Retired Software engineer
        Location:
        Rural Carmarthenshire
        Ratings:
        +4,345
        By the way, Wakehurst are not the only people to have a seed bank. National Botanic Garden of Wales have been working on a seedbank to store native seeds specifically. Wakehurst generally keep most seeds at something like 15% humidity and below 0 Celsius to maximise their lifespan. However I have been involved in sowing seed at NBGW that has built up over time. They were only stored in a fridge, and not at specific humidity. Yet seed from Fabacae (pea family) and pelargoniums germinated well, even when 20 years old! The new seed bank at NBGW will be keeping them much better than this...
         
        • Like Like x 2
        • andrews

          andrews Super Gardener

          Joined:
          Aug 28, 2018
          Messages:
          900
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Waste Management and Consultancy
          Location:
          South Yorkshire
          Ratings:
          +2,369
        • CarolineL

          CarolineL Total Gardener

          Joined:
          Jun 12, 2016
          Messages:
          1,621
          Gender:
          Female
          Occupation:
          Retired Software engineer
          Location:
          Rural Carmarthenshire
          Ratings:
          +4,345
          That's impressive @andrews - maybe the cave was cold and dry enough.
           
        • andrews

          andrews Super Gardener

          Joined:
          Aug 28, 2018
          Messages:
          900
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Waste Management and Consultancy
          Location:
          South Yorkshire
          Ratings:
          +2,369

          Conditions must've been perfect but its still amazing that the seed was still viable after all that time
           
        • pete

          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

          Joined:
          Jan 9, 2005
          Messages:
          48,254
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Retired
          Location:
          Mid Kent
          Ratings:
          +86,077
          I think this is the idea that T&M use, I'm sure I bought some seeds from them years ago that were nearly that old.:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
           
          • Funny Funny x 3
          • Cuttings

            Cuttings Super Gardener

            Joined:
            Feb 21, 2020
            Messages:
            517
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Horticulturalist
            Location:
            Keynsham north Somerset
            Ratings:
            +1,200
            Never a truer word spoken, I told T&M to get lost, they wanted to take me to court, the judge threw the case out as a waste of time, they had no factual evidence to support their claim.
             
            • Like Like x 4
            • shiney

              shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

              Joined:
              Jul 3, 2006
              Messages:
              61,379
              Gender:
              Male
              Occupation:
              Retired - Last Century!!!
              Location:
              Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
              Ratings:
              +118,527
              We went there in its early days (must be about 20 years ago) and were quite impressed. :blue thumb:
               
              • Agree Agree x 1
              Loading...

              Share This Page

              1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                Dismiss Notice