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Starting lawn from scratch

Discussion in 'Lawns' started by hoofy, Jun 13, 2021.

  1. Liz the pot

    Liz the pot Super Gardener

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    Be careful adding material to it or else the height will increase.
     
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    Okay, I'd much rather not add anything other than fertiliser unless I really have to and it looks like I probably don't have to.

    Ideally I would like to keep the level as it is and use the turf I cut off to top dress it in the future.

    Baring in mind the soil test results I posted at the start of the thread, what should I put on to get the potassium and phosphorous up. I was thinking bonemeal. Is there a better product to rotovate/till into the soil?
     
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    There’s a bunch of pre fertilisers out there. The choice is yours to what you want to use to be honest.

    Barreto do some nice heavy duty rotovators. Hiring is the way to go as they run into the thousands to purchase.
     
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    I've decided to put myself in the hands of Progreen. I've ordered a soil testing kit this morning so that probably means the plot is going to stay as it is for another 3 weeks until the results are back and I have ordered the products they recommend to get me going. Then the plan is to rotovate/till the fertiliser into the plot and level and leave for another month or so before I seed it. Obviously killing anything that grows in the mean time.

    I've also decided to skip all the turf I took off and do it sooner rather than later while the sods are still easy to pick up without them falling apart and needing to be shovelled up. I really don't want a pile like that at the back of the garden for the next few years and I'm not sure I could really trust it to ever be safe to use as top dressing on my new lawn without risk of introducing course grasses back in.
     
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      Progreen are good, I’ve had dealings with them. Agrigem is another and is who I tend to order from but both know what they are doing and give a good service.
      My local landscape supplier is not great sadly.
       
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      The seed looks good but there’s little info on the turf. Turf quality alters year in year out, not saying that’s bad but if you can I would pop along to look at the turf first.

      the choice then boils down to what you prefer, seeds take longer to have a nice looking lawn where turf is straight of the bat.
       
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      My issues with turf are the fortnight of watering and the increase in the height.

      I sent my soil sample off this morning so lets see what that comes back with. I might have to add some compost which gives me more height still.
       
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        Unless you dig out some of whats there already……..i increased the hieght slightly when i reseeded my lawn, but there a slight slope on the garden and i was ok with increasin the lower level to get it flatter
         
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        once you get the soil test back it will give you an idea regardless which way you go to plan the fertilisation.
        These soil tests are normally carried out several times a year to see how the planned maintenance is developing but you don’t often see that in a domestic setting unless there’s an issue and say my customer wanted it.
        In domestic lawns the majority of gardeners will often act when they see an issue where in the sports industry the better grounds man will be taking action throughout the year.
        Progreen though may be able to help you with a program of treatments, some companies offer this or you can go down the route of deciding what’s required and this is a great way of learning.
        Personally I have a few lawns that are kept to a high standard that I work on and some i give extra above what the customer wants as it’s fronted for all to see.
         
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          Would there be a problem having the area prepared well in advance, say, end of July, with a view to seeding 6 to eight weeks later depending on the forecast? Would the top surface still be okay with a gentle raking before the seeds are put down?

          I'd like to be ready to go early if the weather was in my favour
           
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          Should be fine, might get a few weeds pop up but nothing that can’t be handled.
           
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            If it's ready then I'd be inclined to just get on with seeding
             
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            It's probably going to be half way through July before I get the soil test results and then a couple more weeks to organise delivery of all the amendments plus the tiller hire. Allowing for bad weather I think it might be tilled and levelled by early August and then allow a couple of weeks for weeds to show. Mid August would be the earliest I think I could seed but that would depend on the weather. If conditions weren't right then it would just be a waiting game.
             
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            You're so much more patient than me :biggrin:
            Mine would now just be raked and seeded. Grass grew well before, no reason to believe it won't again but I do appreciate that your approach is vastly more technically thought through!
             
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