The refugee crisis

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  1. Anthony Rogers

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    Hi Pete,

    I agree totally and I still maintain that the majority of these people are migrants ( not refugees ) just after a better life. Once they're in their chosen country and claiming what they can, if anything, then they will send for the rest of their family.

    I feel that we are doing the best thing by actually bringing over people from the refugee camps. If more countries eg Germany had done this from the start then perhaps the situation wouldn't have escalated into the proportions it is today.

    I still hold by what I said earlier on, welcome true refugees and send all the money seeking young men/families wanting to better themselves at our expense straight back home.
     
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      Well, rumour has it, Val, that there's a Civil War on in Syria and that there has been since March 2011.:dunno: .:doh:

      "Religion in Syria is made of range of faiths and sects. Syria is a secular state. However, membership of a religious community in Syria is ordinarily determined by birth. Based on statistical analyses from 2006, Muslimswere estimated as constituting 90%[1] of the total population, although their proportion was possibly greater and was certainly growing.

      The Muslim birth rate reportedly was higher than that of the minorities, and proportionately fewer Muslims were emigrating.

      Of the Syrian population, 74%[1] were Sunnis (including Sufis[2]), whereas 13%[1] were Shias (including 18.0%Alawites from which about 2% are called Mershdis and they are the followers of Sulayman al-Murshid, 3%Twelvers , or 1% Ismailis ), 3%[1] were Druze, while the remaining 10%[1] were Christians.

      Not all of the Sunnis are Arabs. Most of the Kurds, who make up 9% of the population[3] are officially Sunni, as are the Turkmens who encompass 1%.

      A striking feature of religious life in Syria is the geographic distribution of the religious minorities. Most Christianslive in Damascus, Aleppo, Homs, and other large cities along with significant numbers in Al-Hasakah Governorate in northeastern Syria, Tartus and Latakia. Nearly 90 percent of the Alawis live in the coastal area of the country, namely in Latakia Governorate and in Tartus Governorate in the rural areas of the Jabal an Nusayriyah; they constitute over 80 percent of the rural population of the coastal area. The Jabal al-Arab/Jabal al-Druze, a rugged and mountainous region in the southwest of the country, is more than 90 percent Druze inhabited; some 120 villages are exclusively so. The Twelvers Shia's are concentrated in the rural areas ofHoms, in addition to two rural towns in Aleppo Governorate, plus some living in Damascus. The Ismailis are concentrated between the Salamiyah region and Masyaf region in Hamah Governorate; approximately 10,000 more inhabit the mountains of Tartus Governorate in a small city called Kadmous. The Jewish community has declined dramatically in the last 20 years. Where in the Israeli occupied Golan Heights has seen an influx of non-citizen Jews settled there due to the protection of Israel. Some estimates that in Damascus remained fewer than 100 Jewish people. But there are some others also in the Aleppo area, as are the Yazidis, some of whom inhabit the Jabal Sam'an and about half of whom live in the vicinity of Amuda in the Al-Jazira"
       
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        Strikes me that a country with that kind of mix/mess can only be governed by an iron hand, ie a dictator, or else they will start fighting amongst them selves.:biggrin:
         
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          If you think about it.pete, we have the same mixture of religions and cultures in the UK...........and no civil war. Perhaps it's the very fact that a Dictator is/was governing that they have the crisis now.:dunno::coffee:
           
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            Got to disagree, We are very different in the way we think, to the way they do, we are tolerant, up to a point, and tend to suffer other religions, thats why the whole lot want to come here.

            You only need to look at Iraq to see what happens when the iron hand is removed.
             
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              No papers then NO ENTRY, that is one way to sort them out

              Refugee, limited time visa, when the troubles are over off you go back

              Immigrants, If we need your skills and you have enough points then welcome please help us, but do follow our way of life, no sheets, burka's, veils, burning the floor boards in your new home for fire wood, do not keep coal in the bath and do not defecate in the corner on the floor of the kitchen
              Do not sit in a large circle in the street drinking lager and talking in very loud voices after 23:00

              Or better still Foxtrot Oscar

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                That I agree with, but you forget we've had our Dictators, our Civil Wars, and learnt from that, bringing our own kind of democracy into being. But for some reason Democracy doesn't seem to sit well or flourish in the Near East and Middle East:dunno:

                Well, you could include Afghanistan, Iran among that............but Europe and the UK has to admit to being historically responsible for some of the situations. We have divided, partitioned, relocated borders, renamed countries over a couple of centuries and basically shaped a great deal of those countries to what they are now.:dunno::coffee:
                 
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                  I don't think much of it now, just look at all the rubbish they're leaving and then they'res the fighting if they don't get they way
                   
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                    I am very concerned that this shuffling refugees through one country to move them into another is going to cause big trouble in Central Europe, it doesn`t seem to take much to spark trouble.
                     
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                    Really? [​IMG] The rubbish left is what springs to mind in this massive crisis? [​IMG] Has it occurred to you that there are not litter bins where they are...much less more fundamental basic facilities like toilets or easy access to water! [​IMG]

                    I think if your life depended on whether you would cross a border you might well fight...or would you spend your time collecting the litter? [​IMG]
                     
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                      Pee and poo will decompose the rubbish wouldn't and respecting the country your in or passing through
                       
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                      ??? Er..."pee and poo" (as you put it) are much more unhygienic than bits of litter. In short, they could pose a health problem.

                      I do feel you are missing the bigger picture here by focusing on such a minor detail in the grand scheme of things. [​IMG]
                       
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                      So would you like them to come to your street/village and totally destroy the area.

                      Hang on a minute, what about if we all bring our rubbish and dump it outside your house and use your area as a massive fly-tip area.

                      And as for the fighting...... The other day a gang of them climbed up onto the duty free shops at the border and their mates were passing up to them rocks etc which they then proceeded to throw at the locals and authorities.

                      This is affecting normal people going about their normal daily life.
                       
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                      • Anthony Rogers

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                        What about the disruption to travel and transport ?

                        There was a man on the news the other day who lost 3 days wages because he couldn't get his train to work in Budapest.

                        I think Rosebay that you are not really thinking about the effect this is having on local people.

                        Can you imagine what would happen over here if all the main stations etc were closed and nobody could get to work, hospital appointments etc.
                         
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