u turn? spin? spiral?

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    I heard on the radio today that the government has done a u turn on its plans to force all primary schools to become academies.

    I heard on the radio yesterday that the bma had suggested 5 days of new talks between government and doctors. Doctors were up for it, but government said it's too late. Now they've changed their minds.

    I remember some aggro recently about cuts to disability benefits. That was definitely going ahead, then it wasn't. And I remember David Cameron himself saying he would campaign to leave the the eu if he didn't get what he wanted. He didn't, and yet he is campaigning to stay in.

    Is it just me noticing more than I used to, or is our government so inept that they can't even stick to anything without doing a u turn at the drop of a hat?
     
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      They must have taken that survey I did last night seriously then :heehee:
       
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        @clueless1 :goodpost: well said my friend :dbgrtmb:

        The biggest problem I have is there's not one person I could bring myself to vote for! They are all a bunch of....ok enough said! :whistle:. I will of course vote because if I don't I can't moan:whistle:, I just have no clue who to vote for come next Election Day :noidea::scratch:.
         
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          There are very few MP's that are honest & true. I agree with you Beckie76, two faced lot.
           
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            I agree. And while I might be a bit biased against tories in general anyway, if I try to be purely objective, I can't even see how a devout tory worshipper could still have any confidence in them. The last budget was reliant upon a massive cut to benefits. They (rightly in my opinion) backed down, yet somehow we're expected to believe that all Osbornes plans to reduce the deficit will still work.

            I should point out, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with their farcical policy attempts. I just think it's ridiculous that they're still the government even when they've persistently demonstrated they can't actually come up with any sort of plan, popular or not, and stick to it.
             
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              It seems to me that they are testing public opinion all the time, by releasing their ideas then when people quite rightly point out things like the disability benefit changes being unfair they change their ideas. It does come across as a bit hopeless but at least they are listening, remember the days of Maggie, she did what she wanted/planned and to hell with public opinion - I think that was much much worse.
               
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                Political kite flying ;)
                 
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                  Because they pee around and take the p_ _ _ i haven't bother voting for the last few years
                  but i will vote on the EU thing
                   
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                    If they simply wanted public opinion, it would be simple enough to just ask us.

                    They could have a website where they post a policy idea, and then everyone eligible to vote can log on and support or reject the idea. In the private sector, it would cost maybe £10,000 to develop and set up, so probably a mere £10 million for public sector costing. Then they'd not only have easy access to public opinion, but with suitable geodemographic profiling, they'd get a clear insight into who is affected most positively or negatively by their policies, which in turn would more clearly highlight what issues need to be addressed, where, and who for.
                     
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                      Any government is dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.

                      So would you prefer them to not listen to public opinion, and plough on regardless, or cave in and take a second look?:smile:
                       
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                        In a nutshell ;)
                         
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                        Like I said already, they could easily get public opinion if they wanted it. They are not backing down out of decency. They are not testing the water. I believe they genuinely do see everyone who was not in their circle as mere peasants. They only cave in because they fear for their own jobs and reputation.

                        So, to answer your question directly. No I wouldn't prefer this government to ignore public opinion. I would prefer us to have a government that didn't need to keep backing down because they'd done the right thing in the first place.
                         
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                        So which one is that going to be then:biggrin:
                         
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                        Expecting a Tory Govt. to "Do The Right Thing" is like expecting Victor Frankenstein to do an organ donor drive out of the goodness of his heart and with no ulterior motives. :rolleyespink:

                        It's always gonnae be in a Tory politician's blood to try to wind it back as close to awful Victorian times as they can, really.

                        At the same time, like has been mentioned here, they're also afraid of their gravy-train being disrupted; this means that if they overstep the mark to the point where the WHOLE of GB is angry with them (not just the wild plebs on the outskirts), they'll drop plans and retreat back to a point where people are disgruntled but not angry enough to rise up and call for a fresh mandate check. :snork:
                         
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