UK and the EU

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  1. PeterS

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    I would agree with Pete. I think that Germany in WW2 was paranoid as well as racist. The Nazis were willing to kill everyone and anyone. They would kill their own citizens, who made any resistance, they killed the sick and the disabled, and they killed people from other nations to make space for "liebesraum".

    In some ways they were not totally racist. They didn't like Jews but they did like Muslims, because Muslims were happy to fight and kill without regard for their own lives. There were many Muslim Wehrmacht and SS military units..
     
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      Which in this case is probably a good thing as he would not be best man for the job.:dunno:

      Well, it's been confirmed that the Whitehall Civil Servants are already in communication about terms of leaving. Suggestions, rumours, myths, etc are good fodder for those who like them but facts are what matters, and in this Referendum there has been a scarcity of those.:coffee:
       
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        I was merely elaborating on what someone posted earlier about the petition having been set up by a Leaver.

        On another note, Jezza has now lost 11 shadow cabinet members in a day. He had a hard enough time getting a shadow cabinet together in the first place from what I've read. Interesting to see what he will do now, but for me he's never been a credible leader.
         
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            That Guardian article says exactly nothing. :noidea:

            They seem to have omitted the fact that Merkel and some of the other leaders have already said that they want the UK to take their time before invoking Article 50.

            With some of them it's the toys and pram effect again!

            Our politicians
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            need time to work out what way suits us bet before going into negotiations.

            She's got a bit of a problem with that. I haven't found, yet, any way that she can stop us invoking Article 50 (although she's threatening to do so) and to try and get another Scottish referendum is not going to be easy.
             
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                So old Frogspawn is staying. I'm actually pleased about that because I think if he had resigned it would have sent the markets into more turmoil and would have caused even more uncertainty about the economy. He's been a decent chancellor and we need him to steady the fiscal ship. No emergency budget yet though, what a shocker (NOT).
                 
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                  More resignations this morning on labour side.

                  It's just a massive insult to everyone that voted for either labour or conservative at the last general election, or indeed ever.

                  When these people were put into their positions of influence and authority, effectively the people said, 'we trust you to lead us and manage state affairs on our behalf, no matter what happens'. And what have they all done? They've all thrown their hands up in the air, said 'not my problem pal', turned their backs and walked off.
                   
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                    Bring back milliband! David, not his idiot brother
                     
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                    I know this is totally sexist but Didier Seeuws is a bit easy on the eyes...hope he's going to do some of his Brexit negotiations in his cycling gear.
                     
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                      That ship has already sailed!
                       
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                      Another two have just resigned from the Shadow Cabinet. At this rate Corbyn is going to have to ask people off the street to join him. I hope they manage to get rid of him though. I'm all for Jexit.
                       
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                        I don't see it that way. On the contrary, he would have been labelled a hypocrite if he put the wheels in motion. By also stating that he will be stepping down in October he has acted prudently. If, as has been suggested, those leading the "Leave Campaign" did so without genuine conviction there needs to be time for a) the dust (and emotions) to settle and b) for those of little conviction to now honour the people who voted based on that campaign by coming up with a credible "Plan B". Now, seriously, 3 months isn't much time to achieve that but it still needs to be seen to be attempted (at the very least).
                        It would be political suicide to *not* invoke Article 50 following the referendum; both for the successor and the party! Delaying tactics, maybe; but, an outright refusal? :oops:
                         
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                          Sitting in the bistro last Saturday - someone said:

                          "In the end it all comes down to giving up freedoms to have a few more quid in the bank account."

                          I think he summed up the situation quite nicely.
                           
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                          But whose bank account?!
                           
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