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UK and the EU

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by clanless, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. "M"

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    £20 says it is *not* Juncker :snorky:
     
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    • JWK

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      Blimey! Did they just drag Ken Clarke out of bed?
       
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      • shiney

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        Oh, you cynic!!! :nonofinger: :loll:

        It's actually a group of big businesses. :noidea:
         
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          :hate-shocked: Nooo! :doh:
          Now what *possible* benefit would it be to a group of big businesses :whistle:
          It's more likely Tony Blair; he's remembering what happened the last time he didn't listen to public protests in London :heehee:
           
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            He's still wearing his pyjama top ;) :shhhh: :whistle:
             
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              If I was a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not but if I was, I'd say the whole debacle is being carefully directed.

              Just before the referendum, literally just before, the ftse 100 spiked. Then when the result was announced, it dropped quite a lot. Compared to the brief spike just before, the drop was huge. But compared to the average over the preceding 30 days, the drop was not that much. Within 5 days it had risen to higher than at any point in the whole of the previous month. It stabilised there for a little while. All other standard measures also started to recover. But oh no, we can't have people observing this and saying it's not that bad. It is supposed to be bad, so they wheel out the governor of the bank of England with his speech along the lines of 'its all gone pear shaped but it's okay because to save the dire situation we're going to let the banks operate with zero safety margin!' And suddenly, the pound crashes again.

              Meanwhile in Brussels, the potential trade deal that Canada, new Zealand and Australia were teaming up to make with post brexit Britain, the one media outlets the world over, except the BBC has been reporting on, has been scuppered because the eu bureaucrats have decided there can be no negotiations until we're actually out. Interestingly that little bombshell was reported by the BBC. Though they hadn't bothered to mention the potential deal prior to that, unless I missed it.

              Meanwhile across Europe, growing eu skepticism is leading to the rise of right wing opposition groups, including in the mighty eu homeland of Germany, where there is a UKIP style party with growing support who want, believe it or not, a referendum on EU membership for Germany.

              So if I was a conspiracy theorist, I might think we were being played. Like the stories of someone receiving an honour beating when they leave a gang, to deter others from asking for the same.

              If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might even conclude that the infighting in the government, including the backstabbing and accidental recordings of frank discussions was all part of the show. See how Britain has imploded into disarray and so on and so forth.

              If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might even have speculated that the markets will go through a couple of years if extreme turbulence, with mass buying in the scary drops, followed by a recovery, then mass selling at the peaks, making some people very rich. Most likely those who are already very rich.


              But because I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I reckon it'll all be alright in time.
               
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                It's at times like this that I miss a couple of our old members :th scifD36: :heehee:
                 
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                  adding up to the farce - the greedy song

                   
                • pete

                  pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                  How old do you have to be?

                  I'm sure *Dim* would have had a field day.;)
                   
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                  • pete

                    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                    Personally I dont doubt the EU, not so much Europe;), will make us pay.:mad:

                    That is of course, if we should decide to leave at some point in the distant future, which I'm still not convinced will happen.
                     
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                      That's what all Conspiracy Theorists say.
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                        A fortnight on and the world hasnt ended. (yet)

                        All the £5000 handbags and £1000 shoes must be flying off the shelves with all those foreign buyers saving a fortune with the pound falling. New year sales will be 99% Chinese buyers up from 90% last year.
                         
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                        • shiney

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                          But my £1,000 shoes are still costing me £1,000 :sad: I think I'll spend it on a holiday instead :snork:
                           
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                            We have to fail.
                            It's in the EU's best interest for us to fail. Therefore they will do all they can to push us in that direction.

                            If the UK leaving the EU is a success, then what will stop other countries from leaving?
                            Nothing. There will be Leave referundums in every EU country.
                            And Mr Junker, Mr Tusk and the rest of the suits in Brussels will see their empire crumble. Which clearly they can't have happen.
                             
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                              Not sure that they can stop it. :noidea:
                               
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