UK and the EU

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  1. clanless

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    I received a personal letter from Theresa May today - she addressed me by my first name - how posh is that :smile:
     
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      I have a feeling that they would be surprised at the result if they did hold another referendum - I reckon a lot of people who swithered for a while before voting remain, would now vote leave after seeing the antics of the EU bullies.
       
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        Had your name changed to "Dear Voter" have ya?;):biggrin:
         
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          I'm thinking of changing my name to 'Householder' by deed-poll, just so that I get some mail other than bills :snork:
           
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            Was it addressed " Dear Peasant / Serf / Villein (delete as applicable ) ":snork:
             
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              Apparently, according to a recent poll, 80% of those who originally voted stay have now changed their minds.
               
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                They delved into that a bit more and found that a lot of them just wanted the government to get on with Brexit - but if there was to be a referendum a large section of them would still vote 'stay'. They hadn't actually changed their minds but were being practical about it.
                 
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                  As much as many would like to bring back time, me included, and rewind the world to approx 60 years ago, it is not going to happen.
                  This is: irrespective of the results of the "refresher" upcoming vote.
                   
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                    Very interesting article on the beeb web site :chicken: - which is already being 'rubbished' by the stay camp:

                    Hard Brexit 'offers £135bn annual boost' to economy - BBC News

                    In a nutshell - remove all import tariffs - cheaper goods for us - and cheaper components for the manufacturers making them more competitive here and abroad :dbgrtmb:.
                     
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                      A forum I contributed to until recent times was split evenly iro Remain/Leave but following the bullying and demanding of silly penalties (because other than maybe £10bn thats all they are), the reaction would now give at the very least a 60:40 split in favour of Leave.
                      I can only guess at what the downsides might be of an 'import tariff free iro all goods', but it does suggest there is plenty to play for once we're free of the EU.
                       
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                        I'm not under the impression we actually manufacture much in this country, most of what we buy is imported.
                        Having said that I do know that there are companies exporting to the EU, and more countries in the EU exporting to us.
                        Most of the stuff we use and import actually seems to come from China and the Far East, (cheap and cheerful), so I do struggle to see where the EU actually fits in regarding trade, other than the "odd" farmer wanting to send his live sheep to Southern Europe.:frown:

                        Free world trade should be the way to go, but having been under the thumb of the protectionist attitude of the EU for so many years it will be a hard one to break.

                        Lets face it, dealing with 27 countries and trying to get a single voice is impossible, which is why the EU wants greater control over those counties.
                         
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                          The point you make that it will prove hard to break today's protectionist attitude is surely a sound one. Two generations have seen it as the only way to proceed; it could be said we are, to some extent, institutionalised, and no-one can say that is an easy condition to remedy.
                          However, it simply can't be all doom and gloom, there must be upsides to being free to choose, and the sooner we get away from the EU and doing worldwide business for ourselves the better.
                          The latter point of control of all EU members, leaves the gritty question of which countries will, openly or otherwise wield that power? The answer to the question suggests we would do well to get out asap.
                           
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                            Another gem of a Brexit economic prediction , i.e stick the decimal point where it looks best.
                            Mark Twain said in the 1800's "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
                            This can be updated to " lies, damned lies, and Brexit calculations." :snorky:
                             
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