Solved Weed or baby Ash Tree?

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  1. will562

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    Just moved house and this is in front garden.

    Thanks

    Will
     

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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Yeah, both.:biggrin:
    Would be my guess.
     
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    Thanks, love ash trees but too close to the house for this one!
     
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      I certainly agree with that sentiment. :dbgrtmb:

      Ash trees are not really suitable for domestic gardens. Anything less than half an acre is, in my opinion, too small. Even then, once it had matured, you would be forever removing hundreds of seedlings. We're still removing almost that amount after having had our tree taken down twenty years ago! :hate-shocked:
       
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        Our new house backs on to woods which is full of Ash trees. Also our garden has a young Oak right in the middle. Not sure how big our garden is in metres or acres if any, but it is pretty big, but even the thought of this oak in many years makes me think it could be too big for the garden. Not sure what the rules are with Oak Trees but are they protected? Can they be pruned to keep them in check? Also found a more established Ash tree lurking behind a huge conifer today which we plan to have cut down.
         
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        www.trees.org.uk/Help-Advice/Public/A-brief...

        There is a mixture of legislation. Some can regs can be general for England, some are applied and enforced by local authorities and some apply to trees perhaps you may have planted in your own garden.
         
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        Mike ...your link doesn't work.
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        Oak..if young and on your ground you should be able to cut it down.
        Check for Tree Preservation order...normally just put on old /huge Oaks.

        Ash tree hidden behind conifer.
        Suspect within a few years it will be dead...Ash die back...killing all Ash trees.

        Ash /and Oak is fantastic wood for open fire/log burning stoves.
        You may be able to sell timber/give it to a friend.
        May be able to get someone to cut it down for free if they get take the wood.
         
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          The rule used to be that if the diameter of the tree was under 6", and on your property, you could remove it - unless the local authority had already come in and put an 'order' on it. Don't know what the current rules are.
           
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            Today....as long as there is no TPO.... then who the heck would be able to do anything about it once a tree is felled.
            I have hear of developers buying a plot...clear felling all the trees...then applying for planning.
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            They apply for planning first the planners could insist certain older trees be kept.
            Rather sad but just a fact of life.

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            Forestry land the rules are very different.
            Individuals can obtain a licence to go in a cut down certain trees for their own use.
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              This brings to mind an incident about 35, or so, years ago. A local developer (long term family business) owned a number of plots of land. One particular plot was roughly an acre of mixed woodland (20-30 year old trees) with solid undergrowth of mainly brambles. It was on the edge of a small twon/village butting onto farmland - on the corner of the end of a road before you came to farmland.

              One day the woodcutters and bulldozers moved in and cut down all the trees. Apparently, at the same time, they had put in for planning permission to build 12 houses on the land. The neighbours, who knew nothing of the application, immediately complained to the local authority about the cutting down of the trees. As the council had some famous woods in the area they also had some highly qualified tree experts who turned up whilst they were clearing the site and put an immediate stop on the work.

              Being experts they calculated that about 100 of the 150 trees that had been cut down came under the 6" diameter rule of native British deciduous trees. After two weeks of site visits from tree experts and Planning they told the developer what recommendation would be put to the Committee.

              There were two recommendations:-
              Either they would get their Planning application approved (subject to Planning Law and Building Regs) as long as they included 50 fully mature trees of specified varieties, spaced throughout the plot and not congregated on one side;
              Or they would forever lose the site for development and still have to plant 100 saplings of specified species and maintain the site clear of undergrowth for five years.

              If they refused to accept either then the authority would take them to court for destruction of protected trees.

              They chose option two and, to this day it is a woodland with solid undergrowth and, presumably, a lot of wildlife. It is bounded on two sides by road (with fields the other side of the roads, one side with houses and the fourth side with the railway.
               
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              Many years ago I was as Parish Councilor for the my village (Monkton) A planning application was submitted to the District Council to demolish a barn, planning permission was refused.
              One night driving home (around 9pm) I passed this barn, I was astonished to see the barn being demolished, I received abuse from the men doing this act. I took photos and contacted other Parish members and the District Council.
              Sadly in the morning this site was flattened. In the end planning permission was granted.
               
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              Trees subject of a TPO are protected, so are trees with a 75mm dia. trunk in Conservation Areas, but a tree works application can be submitted for works to or felling those in a CA.

              Trees of all sizes within a recent development may be covered by a planning condition requiring them to be maintained (as part of a landscape/planting scheme) for a specified number of years.


              Individual trees in hedges covered by the Hedgerow Regulations are not protected. This enables landowners to remove some of the specie(s) in a hedge to get the number below the threshold, then the LPA cannot refuse an application for removal (unless it's a historic boundary).

              Large scale felling of trees may require a felling licence from the FC.

              I've forgotten whether or not there's any statutory protection to trees in Historic Parks and Gardens.


              P.S. Just because an application to remove trees and develop a site has been refused, it does not necessarily mean that the tree felling element can't be carried out without any further consents.
               
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                Said garden and Oak Tree!
                 

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