@redstar Fighting between Israel and Hamas has stopped for the time being. Integral to the deal was the return of the bodies of all dead hostages, and the disarming of Hamas. Neither has happened yet. Indeed Hamas seem to be rounding up all those in Gaza that opposed them and using up their spare ammunition on them instead. I'd love to know what all the other wars are that Trump has stopped. Also is he's so great at stopping wars why hasn't he stopped the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
So many non existent wars @redstar and he doesn't know the difference between Albania and Armenia nor that he's president of Puerto Rico!
Let us be positive now. The other wars he stopped has been published already several times, I do not wish to list them, as this group proves to be nothing but nay sayers. Folks here have no clue about the Art of the Deal. And who knows what media you all listen to. Moving on.
Amidst all the trumpery, polishing of DT's ego and singing "Hail to the Chief" multiple times by most of the worlds leading idiots. A couple of points should be noted: There is no peace treaty it's a ceasefire agreement with some 20 mostly vague points and open to interpretation and discussion. The first few have happened, Israel still occupies parts of Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas have not agreed to disarm and there is no clear path to a formal peace treaty. Israel would not and will not accept a two state solution. Neither Israel nor the Palestinians were invited to the party in Egypt (the money for which would have better used for relief efforts). No mention of who will pay for the rebuilding of Gaza apart from not the Israelis or the Americans. The destruction in Gaza is worse than that in cities like Dresden, Hanover, Hamburg and Wuppertal during the 2 nd WW. There has been no mention of who will provide any peace keeping force or fund any interim administration apart from not the Americans. Trump will do little about ending the Ukraine invasion as long as the Americans can sell weapons to the Ukraine or Europe to donate to the Ukraine. Also it's in the American interest to see Russia weakened by the ongoing war.
I'd like to know what you're on @redstar . No wars stopped anywhere and it looks like Gaza peace hasn't even lasted one day with executions and shootings by people who are supposed to have laid down their arms and have failed to return all the dead hostages' remains. As for the Art of the Deal - Trump's tariffs which all have to be paid by USA importers and thus its citizens have incurred retaliation such as China now buying all its soya and beef from Brazil and Oz so the farmers who've planted and bred soya and beef cattle have no customers and are going bankrupt and sellin their lan to bigger companies. Guess who's director of one of these profiteering companies buying up the land for a song. Only JD Vance. Great Deal.
There was a good piece on Radio 4s "More or Less" a week or so back where they went over each of the wars claimed to have been stopped, also this piece is worth a read on the topic Trump says he has ended six wars in six months. As a peace researcher, I’m scratching my head – Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO) Also no mention of wars in Sudan or Somalia and Pakistan and Afghanistan are having a tiff.
I suppose it comes down to this - is any method for stopping a war justified because it ends destruction and slaughter, or are some methods for ending wars worse than not interfering? Often the answer to this is not clear till yrs down the track. Technically there is no longer a war going on between the west and Afganistan, but the way it ended may have made things worse in the long term for ordinary citizens. Money and deals have a place, but a peace built on these alone will be a fragile thing.
I think the problem with “this group here” is that they are of an age and nationality that has close ties to the second world war, when their home towns and cities were bombed and in some cases virtually obliterated. My father was too physically weak to go and fight in the army but joined “Dad’s Army” and was on many night watches as the German airforce dropped bombs onto the sprawling and nationally vital Sheffield steel works. He also helped evacuate Sheffield residents from their flattened homes. After that, he was a peacenik for the rest of his life. People in north America have not had the same experience of being blitzed in their home towns. 9/11 is the one day that they “go on” about as being outrageous and vile. My parents lived from 1939 to 1945 with bombs dropping all around them virtually every day.
I think Trump has for the time being stopped the war, but it was a very one sided war mostly waged against civilians with the odd hit on the Hamas bunch of loonies. But Loonies produced by Israeli occupation of the whole area, someone needs to step on Israel's expansion into other countries IMO. The only country that could stop it was America, because they were providing the armaments that Israel was using, Trump just had to sit that idiot Netanyahu down and say, that's it, no more rockets and bombs and he's basically stopped the war. But it's something Biden never did.
Haven't caught up on the latest episodes yet, but I do love "More or Less". Tim Harford also has an amazing podcast series called "Cautionary Tales".
@Tidemark my dad was 17 when war broke out and signed up straightaway so, not having been conscripted, he was one of the last to go home and served in what was then Palestine during the immediate post-war years. He saw horrors inflicted by fascist Germany and Italy and horrors perpetrated by nationalist Palestinians and Zionists. It did not make him a peacenik because he believed some evils have to be fought and stopped but he also believed that reason, understanding and negotiation were a far better solution and far cheaper than war. I believe Israel deserves to live in peace and so do Palestinians and that it would have been wiser, back in the 40s to grant both nation states and not just one. Israel has expanded its territory after each failed Arab invasion and that was always the rule in times past. we need to move on and rebuild a peaceful Palestine whilst keeping israel safe from the likes of mad Iranian ayatollahs and Hizbollah and Hamas. However, we all know that wars, especially in the last 100 or so years, lead to technical innovation and massive profits for companies in the arms race whether making the screws or building the bombs, drones, warplanes and ships and land transports. These companies and the fuel providers will always lobby massively for war not peace and, in the USA the Jewish vote is still a major factor in govt policy in the Middle East so they're likely to continue funding Israels - $18 billion in the year following the October 2023 attacks and kidnappings. Not likely to be less this last year.
Depends to an extent how you actually define a war tho. The Russia/Ukraine and the Israeli/Gaza are the ones in the news every day but countless other wars are going on all over the world. Mystified as to which he claims to have stopped ??? I think most people are aware that Mr. Trump was not acting alone in obtaining a ceasefire in Gaza - several other world leaders were also involved. It is not an end to the war there as he claims due to the refusal on both sides to agree on many basic issues. Not suggesting that Mr. T. had no hand in it but he could have done exactly the same earlier on in his Presidency had he had a mind to. The other major conflict R/U ? Not quite as simple as he first claimed was it ? None of these issues are simple and I believe people would take Mr. Trump more seriously and appreciate any effort he may feel inclined to make if only he would accept reality and give over with all the constant bragging. He just makes himself look foolish and unaware of world events.
I think ‘this group’ is probably quite negative as they are considerably better informed than many Americans. Rather than listening to Fox News and reading Truth social, ( and believing any of it!) we assemble our information from a variety of sources, many of which arent as ludicrously biased as the two I’ve mentioned. Luckily, we don’t have to rely on analysis and opinion on Trump’s behaviour and mindset, we can get it straight from the horses mouth, as it were. Every time he opens his mouth, my jaw drops!
