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    Having been with this group for many years I recall many folks talking about how they have to wait months to get seen by a doctor, and then even wait longer for treatment, and that is Universal health care. LOL.
     
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    Perhaps the govt. could ask him politely to drop just one to clear the ground for the planned 3rd runway at Heathrow ? 8 minutes to get to London ?? Rather slow IMO :biggrin:
     
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      Have you watched any of the live feeds from any debate or question time in our parliament?

      Seems to me there is more than just him that behaves like a child.
       
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        I'm no fan of Biden, and I think Obama delivered less than might have been expected (partly, but not entirely, because of how the system works), but it is one thing for an individual to say that and quite another for a man elected to the highest office in the US to spend his time snarling about his predecessors to a huge audience for the purpose of bigging himself up and covering over any shortcomings in his own administration.

        That said, people are entitled to support Trump, a democratically elected leader, if they wish and certainly those living under his presidency have more say in the matter than us distant bystanders. :)
         
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          As someone who did an apprenticeship I can say I dont think they are anything like they were, they were crazy in the old days, it had things like your parents were handing you over to the employer in the contract you signed.
          You were then pretty much stuck for 4 yrs with that company, unless you both agreed to end it.
          Wages were almost non existent to start with at least, but then I was only 15 when I started.

          Just wonder if kids spend too long at school these days, by the time I retired apprentices were coming in at 18, by that time they are pretty much adult and have lost the will to conform.

          After 50 years of doing my job I found myself arguing with an 18 yr old just out of school the best way to go about doing certain things involved in the job.
          I usually gave up and just said, well you get on and do it your way then.
           
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            Back in the 1950's if you wanted to be an articled clerk (apprentice) to an accountant you need to pay the accountant for the privilege. By the latter part of the 50's the articled clerk had to be paid by the accountant - but not a lot.

            Three decades later they brought out NVQ's where the government funded training for craft type jobs to encourage employers to teach them on the job but with some college training. This worked well to build up qualifications in the trades - after some initial hiccups.

            I was on one of the working parties to help thrash out the details as there were a lot of stupid things in the original proposals. There were still faults in it that took a few years to iron out but it certainly helped businesses to train them properly. Some of the early problems were simply because they hadn't given enough time and thought (typical political problems) to get it working properly before starting it.

            They, quite rightly, worked out that someone would have to monitor the trainees which was the job of an Assessor and that the Assessor should have a Level 3 qualification to be able to monitor trainees working up to Level 2. Unfortunately they hadn't worked out how the Level 3 would be obtained and the details of the job before starting Levels 1 and 2. :doh: So I was asked to do the monitoring locally instead.

            That worked well until they worked out what the Level 3 qualification would entail. Then they said that as I was working (free of charge :rolleyespink:) doing the Level 3 job I would now need to qualify at Level 3 as all the qualifications that I held were too old to be compared to Level 3. I told them what they could do with the job that I was doing for them for nothing. :heehee:

            Of course, once they had trained up Level 3 Assessors they then realised that those Assessors would need to be assessed once a year and that would be a job for a person qualified at Level 4. Unfortunately they hadn't got as far as working out what Level 4 would require. So they asked me to do the job. Bureaucracy gone mad!!!

            I had pointed out all these prospective problems at the working party stage but the politicians needed to make themselves look good by getting the scheme up and running. Don't bother asking me what I think of most politicians!
             
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              Meanwhile our Deputy PM takes pictures off the wall in his office of the Queen and puts up African art.
              I'm sure he's the son of The Last King of Scotland.
               
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                I got sent on a training course to assess apprentices at one point, TBH I didn't understand what I was supposed to be doing and the person running the course didn't seem to have much idea either.
                NVQs came in around the time box ticking exercises were invented.
                 
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                  Sadly, that is very true. Those living under his presidency have only themselves to blame when the world goes up in smoke. The rest of us, with no say in the matter, just have to like it or lump it, live with a 4° rise in global temperature and a 2 metre rise in sea level.
                   
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                    Two petrol stations in the little town down the road from here, about half a mile from each other - one has unleaded petrol at £123.9 per L, and the other £133.9 per L. How can such a difference be ?
                    I don't know if this has anything to do with it - the dearer station is on the main road, but the cheaper one is on a side road and the other side of the river from the actual 'town' .
                    I wonder why anyone goes to the dearer one :scratch: but there are always cars there.
                     
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                      I assume unless you are local you wont know, £1.23 sounds pretty cheap.
                       
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                        That's why I go there :smile:
                        There are several petrol stations around here and over towards Carmarthen, where it is just as cheap, but others, quite near them, are dear. It doesn't make sense to me.
                         
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                          Except ... voters only had a choice between two people. They had to go for one. It is not their fault. It is the fault of the system that selects those that go on the ballot.

                          Climate change will be unstoppable if AI takes over as it will need power at any cost to the environment. And that will be the fault of the tech billionaires.
                           
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                            Yes.......if the election results are fair and square, that person becomes the leader of their country. In what we like to term as Western Democracy, there will however be those in opposition who want their views known.
                            What does tend to make a difference is when 1 leader is insistent on pressurising other countries to accept their actions and either agree or be condemned as weak or stupid.. Make a pig's ear of your own country if you like but don't expect commendations from those who suffer as a result of your plans.
                            I'm not familiar with the Russian language but presume Mr Putin has not yet learned the phrase Democratic Elections - or perhaps he considers that term to be "offensive" :biggrin:
                             
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                              I think that's a pretty damning statement about a population, you could similarly say we all deserve to be run by Starmer, truth is he had a much less share of the vote than Trump did, its due to the voting system we have.

                              I presume its only the US that is creating the temperature rise then? :smile:
                              China, India and the rest of the world are not contributing, I've always thought we, in the UK, were wasting our time and money with this net zero fantasy.
                               
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