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    Don't even need to leave the house now, you can buy them online. That's why we suffer them all year round.
     
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      Private sales of fireworks should have been outlawed yrs ago. Organised, licensed displays only, with a named person held accountable (up to and including manslaughter charges) for any mishap. Insurance would be required, the fireworks would have to have passed safety standards and have noise limiters, and the hrs at which these could be let off strictly enforced, with huge fines for flouting the restrictions.
       
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        Don't forget the Happyland fire in New York or the the first one I remember the Summerland fire on the Isle of Man.
         
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          Why not come right out and say they should be banned.
           
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            And the Kings Cross fire.
             
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              It probably would be sensible, but humans aren't known for sticking to sensible options when seeking entertainment. I mean, who in their right mind would strap a couple of planks to their feet and launch themselves down a steep, icy slope? Or rely on a container of oxygen whilst plunging themselves into deep water, wilfully depriving themselves of a plentiful supply of easily accessible air? Etc! ;)
               
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                In fairness, we did learn some lessons from the likes of the Summerland, Woolworths & Kings Cross fires. All three have been used extensively, along with other incidents, in fire safety training for many years (I did an extended course some years ago at Stevenage that was very interesting, that analysed all three plus Hillsborough, and it was very interesting indeed) - plus there was a knock-on effect to building code and also H&S improvements across the board.

                The frustrating part of all that is that more recently those incidents seem to be forgotten, and either patently stupid things are being done, or things are being "interpreted" (read twisted, wriggled out of) in the name of cutting corners, especially in the name of net zero. Our political classes are so fixated on things like net zero that they are absolutely ignoring the health and safety risks being presented in the process, whether that is flammable insulation, insulation that rots roof joists, dangerous solar panel installs, dangerous cladding on buildings or el-cheapo batteries that are little more than bombs in fancy packaging.
                 
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                  They should.
                   
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                    I see that US administration has resorted to kidnapping another country's leader.
                     
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                      Yes, I am battling to get my head round it, not least as I don't really know or understand the history. I know that there was a problem with drugs coming out of Venezuela that was affecting the US, and believe that the leader had lost an election 18 months ago or something, but wouldn't cede power?

                      More to this one than meets the eye, for sure, not least the links to China & Russia that Venezuela has
                       
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                        Apparently part of Trump's justification for the kidnap is that the election results were fraudulent. On that basis why hasn't he kidnapped Putin, who has been fixing elections for years?
                         
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                          Putin might fight back and also remember he has the dirt on Trump.
                           
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                            The US has been responsible for a lot of regime changes since the 1950s. This one is from the same playbook, but without going to the bother of subtleties or building in deniability.
                             
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                              Oil - Venezuela has close to 20% of all the easily available in the world. :noidea:
                               
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                                That will almost certainly be a part of it - I still think there is more going on here, particularly in light of the goings on in Iran at the same time. Rather than taking Putin and China on directly, is this some sort of message sending going on?
                                 
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