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    The BBC did a drama series about Oxycontin, that's where I learnt what it was:
    Dopesick - BBC iPlayer

    If you have Netflix, they also have a series called Painkiller telling the same story.

    People often went to the doctor with a minor injury and ended up addicted and with their lives ruined.
     
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        I read a couple of enthrallingly horrifying library books on the topic. I'll see if I can find the titles ...

        Have found two of them -

        Empire of Pain: the secret history of the Sackler Dynasty by Patrick Radden Keefe (2021)
        Pain Killer, an empire of deceit and the origins of America's opioid epidemic by Barry Meier (2000)
         
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          Sorry for that Lori, sounds pretty awful.
          I was only going by what I read on the internet, I assume its a opium based drug and it said it was really only to be used in a similar way to Morphine, kind of end of life care really.
           
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            Do you blame the manufacturer or the doctors prescribing it?

            Cannabis based drugs are legal in the UK now I believe, but hardly anyone can find a doctor who will prescribe it.
             
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              Doctors were paid to prescribe it, but initially they could not have known just how addictive it was. I think the majority of the blame lies with the Sackler family, who knew it was a problem from the off but marketed it really aggressively and hid research results from regulators and professionals.
               
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                First synthesised University of Frankfurt 1917, Merck were marketing it in 1928 and it was first introduced to the US in 1939. The German Army made extensive use of it in the 2nd WW in combination with Scopalamine and Ephedrine.
                Under Nixon it was classified as a Schedule II controlled substance
                Purdue Pharma developed a controlled release form of Oxycodone called Oxycontin: in the 90s in 1995 the FDA approved it's use "after no long-term studies and no assessment of its addictive capabilities." The then FDA Commissioner later said "No doubt it was a mistake. It was certainly one of the worst medical mistakes, a major mistake."
                 
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                  President Trump says the US is going to "run" Venezuela "until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition"

                  Ukraine part 2? Putin must be feeling quite vindicated.
                  What fresh hell is this?
                   
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                    It’s the old Chinese curse:

                    May you live in interesting times.
                     
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                      Mine too.
                      Much to the relief of those involved in that shameful episode Grenfell is now coming down, and very quickly at that.

                      At a time when China is carrying out military exercise's on Taiwan's doorstep the only message is that invasion is ok.
                       
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                        Yet, the folks there seem happy enough about it - (especially from around 8 mins)

                         
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                        I have my CBD fruit cake and fudge. They are made incorporating oil which I derived from home grown plants. I react very well from a mild dose for occasional pain. I haven't needed any for several months and therefore not had any of my edibles in awhile. I guess that proves I won't get addicted to it.

                        Just like I didn't in the 70's :biggrin:
                         
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                          Lots of videos being posted on X of happy crowds in Venezuela tearing down huge posters of Maduro etc.

                          The Iranian revolutionaries are very happy about Venezuela which was in cahoots with the IRGC helping them bust sanctions. That's what the oil tanker seized off the coast was about, it was part of the "shadow fleet" evading sanctions on oil sales. Tanker Seized By US Off Venezuela Was Part Of Iranian Shadow Fleet

                          The Iranians are hoping it will be them next! British Iranians held a big demonstration outside the Iranian Embassy in London today. They sang their old National Anthem and it was very moving.
                           
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                            See, this is the bit that has got me wondering - the main folks that are having a meltdown and bumping their gums about international law etc are left-leaning types that don't live in these countries... and from what I can gather, Maduro was utterly abhorrent, even using the military etc against his own people - - and, in response to previous action by the US had posted a video basically saying "come and get me you cowards"... looks more and more like a case of FAFO to me.
                             
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                              FAFO is the exact term used by Peter Hegseth, the U.S. Secretary of War.
                               
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