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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    To Be honest I was thinking really about those that use it to control epilepsy, there were or might still be people having to buy it at great cost from other countries because although legal for a while now, UK doctors wont prescribe it and no body will do the testing to change their minds.

    The oil is fairly freely available I think.
     
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      I read that there was a lot of evidence that the last election results in Venezuela were ignored, and that the opposition candidate had actually won by a landslide. The woman that supported his campaign won the Nobel Peace Prize. However, no sign that the person who legitimately won the election is being brought back. Instead, Trump will be pulling the strings while he sets up systems to benefit the US from Venezuela’s oil reserves. Greenland had better start really worrying, the precedent has been set. Even Canada must be feeling pretty uncomfortable.
       
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        From what I remember reading, there was a lot of movement of top Purdue people into top jobs at the FDA and vice versa. Getting it approved was all a bit of a stitch-up, creating huge wealth for "cooperative" individuals. The FDA and Big Pharma are very intertwined, which makes the decision-making process prone to influence and distortion. Plus, drug manufacturers are not obliged to publish studies that don't give the results they want. A big flaw, IMV.
         
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          It all puts the little guys floating about in boats in the sea into perspective.
           
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            I've had a couple of emails from friends in Venezuela who are really happy with the removal of Maduro but extremely worried about Trump saying he is going to take control of their oil industry.

            Chavez was bad (good at first) and Maduro was worse. I don't know what will happen now and the people are concerned.
             
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              This has not changed over the decades, although under the current regime it's probably less effective than ever.
               
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                I see that the Trump insanity is spreading and UK and French forces bombed an area near Palmyra in Syria overnight.
                 
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                  Can't say I blame them, we should probably be concerned as well.
                  As for the future of Venezuela with Trump saying that US companies will revive the Venezuelan oil industry it will be very much a case of "Cui bono" or more simply "follow the money" .
                   
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                  • pete

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                    I thought that was strange, usually something like that would be US led.
                     
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                      Informative thread here on X about the nightclub fire, with comparisons to previous similar tragedies (there was an almost identical one in Romania referenced in the replies). Some interesting points in the first post:

                      3. The reason the time buffer didn't exist here is the material. That ceiling is polyurethane foam. It doesn't burn linearly; it hits flashover (1,100°F) in under 90 seconds. It's essentially solid gasoline. The room would have exploded for all intents and purposes. Way before anyone could reasonably evacuate.

                      4. We calculate exit widths based on how many people can physically pass through a door per minute (flow rate) versus how fast a fire spreads. With foam fires, the available safe egress time drops to almost zero. Even if they had reacted instantly, the crowd density would have choked the exits before the room cleared.

                      https://x.com/Markos_mom/status/2007528313271599447
                       
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                        The US administration can make more money out of Venezuela than Syria.
                        The current US will only bomb Syria if US troops are harmed.
                         
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                          I found this here: https://debuglies.com/2026/01/02/cr...w-flammable-acoustic-foam-fueled-deadly-fire/
                          "Eyewitness accounts corroborated by circulating video evidence depict initial ignition triggered by celebratory sparklers affixed to elevated champagne bottles contacting extensive black pyramid-patterned acoustic panels lining the low ceiling of the enclosed basement dancefloor, panels visually consistent with untreated open-cell polyurethane foam widely marketed for noise abatement in entertainment venues yet exhibiting extreme combustibility characterized by low ignition thresholds, high peak heat release rates exceeding 1000 kW/m² in cone calorimeter testing, sustained flame spread indices, molten droplet emission, and copious liberation of lethal pyrolysis products including hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide, and hydrocarbons that accelerate transition to fully developed fire phases in confined volumes with limited natural ventilation.
                          The structural configuration of Le Constellation—a multi-level establishment with primary entertainment space in a subterranean enclosure accommodating up to 300 indoor patrons plus terrace capacity—amplified vulnerability through stratified hot gas layering that stratified at ceiling heights, elevating upper-zone temperatures beyond 500–600°C within seconds of surface ignition, conditions sufficient to volatilize additional fuel loads from furnishings, decorations, and crowd apparel, culminating in the abrupt flashover transition that transformed localized ceiling burning into compartment-wide involvement producing fireball expansion, window fracturing from thermal overpressure, and opaque black smoke descent to floor level within under 2 minutes, severely curtailing tenability and precipitating crowd surge toward egress points reportedly constrained by narrow stairways and potential obstructions."
                           
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                              US companies running Venezuelan oil is very bad news for the finances of the country and ordinary citizens. It will be a form of asset-stripping, leaving behind extreme poverty and a polluted wasteland. Anyone who doesn't cooperate will be silenced.

                              It will not be possible for the people of Venezuela to vote in a gov that will act in their interests. If they managed it, it would be toppled.

                              A world in which the big players are thugs is a world that can never work for any but the very few at the top.
                               
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                                The oil is diluted cannabidol oil and must contain no THC (active ingredient)
                                As extracted the oil is a mixture of compounds which is why some people find one brand works and another doesn't.
                                My last employer were talking to a London Medical School for some years about trials and it was difficult to arrange, what composition would be in the trial, what the control would be. I think eventually the Medical School went to a larger company.
                                This medical "cannabis" would have some active ingredient (THC) in it, but at guaranteed low levels.
                                How addictive cannabis is is open to discussion, but generally less addictive than opiates and most other scheduled drugs and certainly less than nicotine.
                                Note the high strength cannabis known as "skunk" is different.
                                Part of the problem with medicinal cannabis is that it is a complex mixture of chemicals some of which humans can convert to others, some have synergistic effects in the body.
                                 
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