And the FBI have a pristine record? Wasn't one J Edgar Hoover once in charge of them; a dubious character.
Just to chip in here, footage has appeared this afternoon from the officer's bodycam which is quite clear.. the lady concerned was not just observing... there was a very, very clear instruction from an officer for her to get out of her car which she did not, and then turned the vehicle and applied power directly toward the officer. It may well not have been her actual intent to cause harm, however whenever you apply power to a vehicle when there is anyone around it's trajectory, that is you using that vehicle as a weapon. Secondly, we have to bear in mind that the US is very, very different to the UK - - here, we do not carry weapons and have no legal right to do so, so anyone that comes at us with a weapon is unlikely to see a response that could be harmful or fatal. That is clearly not the same in the US, and therefore it is hard for us to line up any harmful/fatal response with our own values. For clarity, I personally would rather have seen a different resolution that didn't see loss of life, but I am also acutely aware that we've bred a society where people seem to think they are immune from the consequences of their own actions.
Attached is a shortened clip from another perspective that clearly shows her hitting one of the officers with her vehicle. So no, definitely not only "observing"
I saw one yesterday where she was told to get out the car, she decided to drive off and the one who shot her was at the front of the vehicle at the time. Not seen anything of what had gone on before that time.
It's clear that not only does the officer seem to ask her to leave the car, you can clearly see them trying to open the door from the left. There is actually another officer who looks to maybe try to open the passenger side. Then another officer moves in front of the vehicle with mobile phone in hand before shooting. It looks like they surrounded her from both sides and front, not sure there was any intent to cause harm. I think if your being approached and being told to get out of the car, then you should do so, I doubt the officer in front of her was in her line of sight initially, as she did turn right to get away. Not sure about a dash cam, as it looks like the officer who fired the fatal shot was holding a mobile while stood in front of the car before before shooting. Looking at this video, you can clearly see the officer going back to the front of his truck before walking in front of the women in question when back up arrived. Moments before ICE agents shot, killed Renee Nicole Good during a Minneapolis raid - YouTube Retired ICE agent breaks down deadly Minneapolis shooting
What she did was not logical but it might be an understandable reaction given ICE's reputation for putting the wrong people in detention and in some cases going so far as deporting them. It is a frightening possibility.
The thing I've noticed is protesters often try to get arrested to draw attention to their cause, if she was that scared of getting arrested it was probably better she was not hanging around there in the first place.
As you're aware from other footage, that is clearly not footage of the moment she was shot, so I struggling to see how it justifies killing her as she was attempting to leave...
I know that there have been times when I've been scared of being arrested, but have felt a moral imperative to 'hang around' - maybe I should have been shot in the face and killed?
For clarity, I didn't say it justifies anything - however, I did say that we need to be careful about judging the reactions to being attacked with a weapon, whether that is a weapon in the conventional sense or not.
Looking at how she was turning right, proving intent might be be difficult. On the second video I posted earlier it shows the officer telling her to get of the car, he then tries to open the car not just from the outside but also from the inside, the drivers window is clearly down and you can see the officer put his arm inside the car. At no time did this officer attempt to reach for a fire arm, so was the shot fired in self-defence by the other officer. The officer who fired the shot was involved in a serious injury last year which required him needing medical treatment and 30+ stiches to his arm and hand while trying to make an arrest. He got his arm stuck between the seat and car frame which then tried to flee, he was then dragged 100 yards resulting in his injuries. The culprit was prosecuted for assaulting a federation agent with a dangerous weapon. In that split second, did he envisage the same was happening to his fellow officer. Sad, when something like this could of easily been avoided and now 3 children have lost their mum.
To be fair, I don't think intent was there. However, lack of intent wouldn't get you off a death by dangerous driving charge here in the UK. She very clearly did not do as instructed and as you say he had been seriously injured 6 months ago by someone in a vehicle. Much, much more to this story than just a cut and dried 'bad cop' or 'bad protestor'
I do think protesters get locked into a groupthink cycle. They (rightly or wrongly) are so convinced good is on their side, they start to believe any act justifies their ends. They lose the ability to keep perspective and see how their behaviour may be interpreted by the other side or onlookers. They may feel there is safety in numbers, so no harm can come to them individually. The noise they generate, through chanting, etc, is all part of the organisers' tactics to compound this. When the UK gov introduced laws about the amount of noise protesters could make, it was an attempt to break the hold group shouting can have and calm things down a little so people can still think as individuals.
Sh She was attempting to leave but only after they had told her to get out the car. If she had got out the car she would probably still be alive. I think she probably panicked. Also being in the US you don't know what weapons she may have had in the car, personally if I had been there I would assume she was running away, rather than just leaving.
