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  1. Emptyheadtime

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    Without passing judgment here one thing to remember is that ICE agents are NOT the police and have very limited powers they can use on US citizens (hence we hear the protester outside the car identify themself as a US citizen on the bodycam footage). Often ICE need to rely on support from local police to deal with situations as they don’t have the powers to do so themselves and this in itself is causing some issues as ICE claim some police forces are not coming to their aid when requested.
     
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      I believe her husband passed away and I think there are numerous incidents where the people targeted by ICE were not as you describe hence peoples attitude towards them.
       
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        I believe she had a wife; more importantly there are now 4 children who are motherless.
         
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          The wife was at the back of the car having a go at the ice bunch in the video put on the news this morning.
          It was video taken by the bloke who shot her.
           
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          So Venezuela was being run by a crazed dictator, using his own private militia to keep the population under control.
          Putin is using made up excuses to invade a neighbouring sovereign state, with a view to plundering minerals, and free access to coastal ports.
          I’m seeing a pattern here…..
           
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            There is a definite change and it seems to be very much the old east/west thing. I am still firmly of the mind that Venezuela is as much if not more about China (and to some degree Russia) than anything; the goings-on in Iran, that is going to affect both China & Russia as they will no longer have Iran as an ally, not least if the US have to go in militarily, as is looking increasingly likely given that the regime has turned against it's people and literally dozens are being killed and injured.

            I don't fully understand the geo-politics, nor do I really have any desire to.. I would much rather we all lived in harmony without anyone getting blown to bits - however, the harsh reality is, that is not how the world ticks and the Middle East in particular has been a powder-keg for as long as any of us can remember. In my opinion, it was a powder-keg that we should never have gotten ourselves involved in, but we did.. so now we have no choice in the matter.

            As I said previously, sitting on the sidelines and having "coalitions of the willing" and "calling out" "condemning" what is going on, simply isn't going to cut the mustard any more. The likes of Russia and China simply couldn't give a toss what the likes of Starmer and Macron have to say. Sure, they will nod in all the right places, but then go off and do as they damn well please anyways. It is going to end in some force being needed, and hopefully not a lot of it, followed by an almost repeat of the cold war where everyone is twitchy but not willing to start anything.
             
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            The regime in Iran has always been against its people.
             
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            Well you are going to have to explain the pattern to me.:scratch::smile:

            If the US go into Iran it will just be another Afghanistan all over.
            I'd just let the place fester.

            On the subject of Iran, why do stupid people think its a holiday destination and then expect to government to get them out of prison when they find out its just a Sh*t hole.
             
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            Including when the Shah was in power.
             
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              I’m thinking Trump and ICE, and Trump and Greenland?

              As far as Iran is concerned, maybe safer to leave the people to organise their own uprising than let Trump get involved?
              Look at Venezuela, the same illegitimate party is still in control, no free and fair elections in sight, Trump ignoring the opposition and insulting its representatives, while setting up systems to plunder its resources.
              And I don’t think the average American in the street is going to benefit much from any potential profits. Just the rich and powerful shareholders, while the rest of the country sees its healthcare insurance costs triple or quadruple.
               
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                The problem with all these places seems to be they are still tribal, so unless the countries are divided up whoever runs the place is going to be at odds with a certain section of the population.
                 
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                I wonder what planet the "coalition of the willing" are actually on.
                Starmer and the French bloke are there making plans for putting troops on the ground in Ukraine as a peacekeeping force.

                Errr, maybe see what Putin says first, I think he stated long ago NATO troops would one of his red lines.

                I'm not sure what they think they are doing, when push comes to shove they will have no say in the outcome, its just making noises to sound like you are important.
                 
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                  Not just Russia and China who don't give a toss about what Europe says.
                  Iran's problems are not going to be resolved by military action and intervention of that nature will simply give it's allies further cause for disruption thruout the Middle East.
                  One problem for those on the receiving end of the constant threats and bullying attitudes is not quite knowing whether these will come to pass or the bullies will back down.
                  Russia is determined to continue with military force to get what it wants as is Israel. Neither appear willing to back down. The US has also proved it's intent with Venezuela and now has it's sights set on Greenland. China is working towards Taiwan and whilst Ping may be a bit more devious than Trump ( not that difficult ) who would bet on either of them backing down ?
                  As for Europe putting troops on the ground in Ukraine, I understood that was only likely to happen in the event of a cease fire and the area becoming a neutral zone. Or that was the plan but who knows ?
                   
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                  And that is why I did quotation marks around the word husband.

                  Guess she had 4 sperm doners along the way.
                   
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                  Does it really matter how a child is conceived if its mother loves it?
                   
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