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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I think the biggest p
    roblem with wind power is that the owners of the wind farms are guaranteed income, so, too windy they turn them off, we pay, overproduction, we pay, they build them and then watch the money roll in regardless of if we need the energy or not.

    While all the time keeping gas power stations on line for when the wind doesn't blow.

    I think hydro power would be fairly restricted here as we only have the right kind geography in certain places.
     
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      We've got some - Cruachan being one of the most famous. The landscape in the south of England doesn't really lend itself to it as it is too flat and in the north, as well as Scotland and Wales, there is a mixture of nimbyism and the huge costs involved (where there is height, the geology is really challenging)
       
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        Wind also isn't as clean as it is made out to be. I've seen first hand the damage that has been done to the landscape and waterways in SW Scotland - Scaur Water being one that my old boss recently sent video footage of.... absolutely filthy, murky water - and that used to be crystal clear. I used to go dooking in that as a kid. You wouldn't stick a foot in it now.
         
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          Plus, the wind turbines don't have a very long lifespan and the defunct ones aren't recycled.
           
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            The generators and gear boxes are recyclable, copper, rare earths (magnets), if towers are steel that can be recycled.
            The blades are trickier but recycling of these is being worked on.
            Lifespan is 20 to 30 years longer than most cars, phones, computers etc and I'll be gone before then.
             
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              Wales and Scotland have a number of pumped storage hydro schemes, some are being enlarged.
              Batteries yes you can have large battery systems for storing surplus energy, however all the various chemistries would have difficulty getting planning permission, the Nimbies would be very vocal even if it was proven to be a safe design.
              Then there are ideas like compressing gas into underground storage systems and releasing through a turbine generator system, you can also liquefy air and then evaporate through a turbine generator, a massive flywheel spinning very rapidly has been suggested. Even if you can get planning permission none of these are overnight solutions
               
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                I was reading an article recently about the blades currently going to landfill and some of the towers being left as they are too costly to remove. Hopefully things will progress on this front so they are not only "green" whilst in use.
                 
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                  It isn't only the blades and towers though - it is the massive re-bar enforced concrete bases that they sit on and of course the construction/service roads etc that leaves scars on the landscape, essentially forever.

                  There seems to be a thinking that because it is fairly barren landscape that it doesn't matter - - but that is the whole point, it has been mostly unmolested for centuries

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                    We need to stop wasting all the energy required to store every single word we write electronically.
                    Some is obviously useful particularly when it can be uncovered whe criminal behaviour is involved but what someone ate for dinner, took a trip to the shops, planted a rose, etc. - stuff like that surely doesn't need to be floating about for all time. I suppose you could say it would be a "historical" record but I doubt whether future generations are going to find that kind of information exactly rivetting :wow:
                    On a slightly different note, I heard something on the radio this morning which suggests that the number pf people who read a book ( hard copy or otherwise ) is reducing at a greater rate than ever before.
                     
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                    • pete

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                      When I was on the farm the manager went down the road to a farm that was going over to solar panels.
                      They told him the land could be returned to agriculture if needed, he was fairly skeptical, he said the amount of concrete going in to support the panels would cost millions to dig out before you could ever consider cultivating the soil again.
                       
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