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  1. SherwoodArrow

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    I understand what you're saying but most of our mines are under built up areas. Here in Nottinghamshire we are surrounded by old mines/pits (as we call them), there was about 50 of them.
    With the pit in my village, we have tremors/ mild earthquakes every so often when the shafts collapse. It was only decommissioned in 1999 when we all went up and watched the head stocks blow up. The pit entrance is now a industrial and lorry park. With a council recycling centre. 3 old pits around here are new housing developments and nature reserves. Up the road at Clipston the owners keep putting planning permission in to the council to change the old pits building into flats. As straight across the road is the village of Clipston.

    What I'm trying to say is I know I wouldn't want nuclear waste left in those old mines and I'm sure most others wouldn't either. However safe the experts said it was.

    An old coal power station in North Nottinghamshire is going to become a new prototype nuclear fusion power station. They've just got to figure out how to do it first as it would sort out all our problems!

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      I'm just wondering where you would plug it in! :yikes:

      Not quite as bad - but I bought my petrol here
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      • Obelix-Vendée

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        I'd love a couple of those plug in solar panels once they're proven to be safe and reliable. They could keep the polytunnel a bit warmer in winter and maybe even our unheated annex so I can keep lants in there too - the ones that need protecting from chooks as well as cold.

        I believe UK has unsuitable geology combined with high population densities that would make underground storage of nuclear waste unsafe but there seems to be a fungus that is now thriving on nuclear waste at Chernobyl so that is something to develop -
        The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

        As for NATO it is bigger than one tantrum trumpy and the other 31 allies can survive and thrive very well without him and the US military until they sort themselves out. I know I don't want to rely on any military that attacks others without the legal, constitutional steps of government/congress/allied processes for declaring war. This is not a case of an ally being attacked and needing support. It's about a bully toddler getting bored after biting off more than he can chew and not having the wit to consider the consequences before he throws us all off a cliff.
         
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          I saw on the news about the fuel shortage in probably far east somewhere, and they were queuing up with lots of plastic water bottle and pop bottles, anything they could carry and would hold petrol.

          I felt slightly guilty filling my gallon can for the mower the other day.
           
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            Well, that hasn't stopped the sale of electric scooters. ;)

            Re the woman filling her boot with carrier bags of petrol, I'm not sure that can be true as forecourts won't allow you to fill anything other than your tank or a suitable receptacle. I saw a man trying to fill a regular plastic drinking bottle once and the staff refused to allow it.

            Re Trump and the military, apparently the person fired was responsible for turning White House demands into actual plans to achieve these ... lawfully. A pretty impossible task. And Vance has just been promoted to Czar in charge of weeding out corruption, but only in Democrat-held states. Hmmmm!
             
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              I'd feel a bit unsure about putting electricity into a three pin socket as opposed to the usual, taking it out, just seems dodgy to me.
              Could blow all your fuses or wiring.:scratch:
               
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                I believe the US is the biggest contributor to NATO finance by a long way so Europe really would to massively increase their subs and hence probably their taxes. That's his main grouse.
                 
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                  It will take Europe/UK years to come up with the size of military and armaments that the US has at its disposal.
                   
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                  His main grouse with NATO is that he can't click his fingers and have it jump to do as he wants. He's never been worried about spending but does use funding as an excuse not to do things - eg cutting govt waste on medicare, child care, schooling, democrat states, environmental protection, renewable energy... whilst spending trillions on a stupid war with Iran.
                   
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                    Yes, @pete, but the Ukraine war has shown us that huge battleships, aircraft carriers, bombers and so on are now old hat and that cheap drones for spying, defence and attack are the way to go. Much more manageable in budget terms, quicker to build and highly accurate.

                    Add to that the fact that the US has always insisted NATO use US origin and compatible hardware which ties them into hugely expensive and inefficient warplanes that spend more time on the ground being twiddled than actually combat ready and the fact thet the US can withold software maintenance and upgrades and losing the USA begins to ook a very good idea. Sweden, the UK and France all have good alternatives that are cheaper and more reliable and don't have plugs a trumpy tantrum can pull.
                     
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                      @shiney the human body has several orifices to choose from for "plugging in". Admittedly you would need a long cable to go with it. Or maybe not if there are plenty of charging points along the route you choose :biggrin: None of these things are 100% "green/renewable" as very few people know how the electricity they use is produced.
                      @ViewAhead Not every petrol station has sufficient staff to cope with this mad rush on petrol/diesel apparently. The supposed photo was apparently taken by another customer. Like you, I find it hard to believe if for no other reason than that surely no one could be that stupid to risk carrying open bags of petrol in their car boot !!
                      @CanadianLori Apart from storing the waste from Nuclear Power stations is simply passing the buck for later generations to deal with, the UK doesn't have much space left - suitable or otherwise. The nuclear station just a mile from here first began producing electricity in the early 70's. Both A and B are now shut down and the waste moved up north. C is still in construction after more than 12 years. Hitting problems from local farmers, fishing industry, environmental organisations and objections to the necessity of installing new pylons for connection to the National Grid.
                      Nothing is easy.
                       
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                        I agree up to a point, but I'm not sure we have the missiles or missile defenses, lets face it, it took us three weeks to scrape up a ship to send to the eastern Med.
                        We have two aircraft carriers, almost new, one is out of action for months and I think the other is mostly in port.

                        I dont think they can scrape up a crew for most of the ships in the so called Senior Service, its just not acceptable.
                        As said the other day, Trump comes out with a lot of verbal diarrhea, but when you boil it down it usually comes with an essence of truth, somewhere in it.
                         
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                        Re coal mining and its associated tunnels, there is an enormous “stately home” not far from the village where I grew up. The village was full of tiny brick terraced houses with no indoor toilet and sometimes no hot running water. The inhabitants of the houses were miners. These miners, and their forebears, had mined the coal for a poverty wage in the area for generations. All the money from the sale of the coal was spent in building this stately home. A house that is bigger than Buckingham palace. Some years ago, the current owners and descendants of the original owners, discovered that subsidence was causing their magnificent edifice to collapse in places. Subsidence caused by mining. They sued the modern day owners of the mines. And lost. Ha ha. But the tax payer is still going to have to fork out for some of the repairs.

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                          If the U.S. do actually leave NATO I'm pretty sure that might be a catalyst for Ukraine to join. They are already building extremely cheap interceptor drones (between £1,000 and £2,000) that we would be happy to buy.
                           
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                            So what do you think Putin might do if Ukraine was allowed to join NATO.

                            I thought one of the stipulations for joining was that you were not at war at the time of joining?
                            Similarly, to one of the rules is if a member starts a war it's not up to the rest of NATO to join in.
                             

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