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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Well you have me confused, what the point is?
    America will be accepting beef from the UK also, so what is your point?

    Lets face it, you dont have to buy ours and we dont have to buy yours if you dont want to regardless of what politicians say.
     
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      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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      As someone said the other day.
      Why dont we keep our beef and the US keep their beef.

      It all seems a bit pointless us sending them the same amount as we import from them.

      None of this is making any sense.:scratch:
       
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        Years ago, pre BSE, I was partial to a burger, fries and coffee at Burger King on Liverpool Street Station on my way to meetings in London.
         
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          Since when did politics make any sense at all? :scratch:
           
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            It's politics it's not supposed to make sense.
             
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              No point in beefing about it.
               
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                  You do not have to put a burger on a grill to call it a burger. A burger is just a ball of ground beef that is flattened and cooked on both sides, put between two slices of bread. I like a thin slice of onion, garden tomato and slice of cheddar cheese and mustard. To me the best burger is ground chuck and ground brisket put together. They have what is call ed the smash burger, totally on a cast iron skillet.
                   
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                    that is a good thing. BTY I live in Amish country, that is all I get out here, top quality beef.
                     
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                    @redstar the USA doesn't have enough quality beef producers to meet EU/UK quality standards.

                    Iowa state univesrity produced a paper explaining why the USA was unable to fill the allowed quotas for exports to the EU and I quote a section from the introduction.

                    Since the European Union banned imports of beef treated with growth-promoting hormones in 1989, the United States has been unable to fill the 11,500 metric ton quota allowed for high-quality, non-hormone treated beef.1 In 1999, U.S. exports to the European Union were temporarily suspended, and even less beef has been shipped since exports resumed. As discussed in this paper, the stringent guidelines for producing, harvesting, and shipping certified non-hormone treated beef for the European Union create additional costs that greatly reduce the competitiveness of U.S. beef. What was once a niche market for producers and processors has all but vanished, yet some producers continue to obtain U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) certification for their nonhormone treated beef.

                    Looks like the USA won't be able to find the 13,000 metric tons of decent beef allowed under this new deal with the UK.
                     
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                    • pete

                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                      You mean before BSE was spotted.:roflol:

                      Wasn't we told to expect millions of people with BSE type problems by now?
                       
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                      Yes @pete and because of it OH has never been allowed to give blood since we left the UK. The USA will not take blood from EU citizens or the UK but was quite happy to send us blood with HIV that infected many haemophiliacs and other innocent men and women. They should have had better screening standards but the UK govt was also seriously remiss in not screening it and then denying the problem and is still delaying compensation.

                      Other countries had the same BSE inducing feeding practices but were cannier about hiding it.
                       
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                        We were, but they were never certain how widespread the problem was within cattle, nor how infectious it was to humans given that most people didn't eat the brain, spinal cord, thymus which had the highest risk of carrying the infectious agent.
                        I also don't think that the effect of cooking a joint of beef had on the infectious agent was ever studied.
                         
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                          Don't forget the hepatitis. US companies paid people to donate blood so they got blood from those typically short of cash.
                          The UK government has behaved and is behaving disgracefully over the whole issue, especially the compensation after agreeing it should be paid.
                           
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                            Should say I can't give blood cos, despite being 0- and very useful, I had malaria several times as a baby and toddler.

                            Hepatitis is a nasty and sneaky stealer of people's lives.
                             
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