YOU'VE GOT TO BE JOKING, USA!!

00000000000000000000000000001348Trump is a dangerous prat. Clinton just wants to get her own back on her philandering husband. Both are not concerned about us in Europe, we are just cannon fodder.

 

I'll be glad when it's all over with - a bit like Brexit.

 

Trump will be just another President that says a lot but gets nothing done (like obama)

Clinton will take us to WW 3.

Idiot or certain death ? I`ll go for the idiot please.

 

Sorry WeeTam,

I think you've got it the wrong way round. Trump is definitely the one who's gonna cause WW III . Starting with Mexico.

 

I actually think trump, despite being a vindictive nasty idiot in most respects, is actually least likely to cause a major war.

Everyone else is determined to keep on poking Russia with a stick, despite Russia having so far been far more tolerant and peaceful than many nations we actively support.

The UK sells weapons to Saudi Arabia knowing they'll be used on civilians in Yemen. The UK, US and others condemn Russia for bombing rebel positions in Alleppo, Syria, despite actively supporting and boasting about 'operation Shock and Awe' just a few years ago that saw much of Baghdad obliterated from the air by the US.

NATO is squeezing Russia. How can they do anything else but get stroppy? The yanks keep putting hardware right next door, and sending aircraft and ships to taunt them, then crying when the Russians peacefully warn them off.

Trump is the only supposedly allied politician that I've heard at least question why we do this, and in response the stupid yanks claim the Russians must have somehow hacked the election.

 

A war with Mexico would be bad but not fatal to the planet. Clinton and her backers are spouting endless anti Russia anti Putin propaganda on a daily basis.
There will be a ""mistake"" sometime soon when a US jet shoots down a Russian Jet or some dopey poodle will "accidentally" use a RAF drone to attack Russian troops?

 

My recollection of reported events differs.

I recall a time before Russia and Ukraine started fighting. A time when documentaries showed that fascism was rife in Ukraine with a very active neo nazi group and regular organised violence against foreigners, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and anyone else that didn't fit their ideal.

I remember they had an elected government with a prime minister that showed some affection for the former Soviet union. Then the people decided to oust him. Not democratically, but through pure violence. I remember the news showing what looked like a war zone in the middle of a city, and the police that tried to stop it being attacked with petrol bombs and large lumps of concrete literally lifted from the pavements. I remember us all being quite passive about it all because the violence seemed to be in support of a pro EU candidate and against a pro Russian one.

I remember the pro Russian Ukrainian pm literally fleeing in fear for his life. It was literally a coup de etat to which we all turned a blind eye because it suited the eu and US.

Having violently and undemocratically initiated regime change, other people who still had Soviet era fondness for Russia, we're now in peril. The people of Ukraine had proven that in Ukraine, democracy counts for nothing, and nobody can police it. The Ukrainians themselves were fighting each other rather than quelling a violent uprising. Nobody else did anything to stop the violence. Russia had an interest in doing so, in that many people in the Ukraine still identified as Russian, and now those people faced hostility from their Ukrainian former friends and neighbours.

What did NATO or USA or the EU do to make peace during this crisis when civilians were being attacked and killed by civilians? Not a thing. So the Russians did.

Now Russia is as you say extending it's interests in the middle east. Like when the Americans seized control of Iraq's oil infrastructure. According to the BBC, IS held territory in the middle east has been shrinking consistently over the past 12 months or so, ie since Russia decided to intervene. Prior to that, no progress was being made.

In my lifetime, Russia has almost always opposed suggestions of military interventions by NATO et al. We can't blame the Russians for Syria. It was the US and allies that created a power vacuum in Iraq and Afghanistan to be inevitably filled by some group or other. We've made a mess that we can't clean up. Russia is trying to clean it up for us. They are supporting assad, by all accounts a horrible man. But is he a more horrible man than the myriad of other horrible men in the region leading one extremist group or another that's prepared to use women and kids as pawns in their violent political games? We even here how our lot support 'moderate rebels '. What is a 'moderate rebel'? Is that not like saying 'a terrorist that's not quite as bad as other terrorists '?

And what are our politicians doing while all this is going on? Are they talking to the Russians, working super hard to find some agreement on a peace plan? Nope. They're threatening to shoot down Russian aircraft.

Women and kids are dying in a war zone. The world's superpowers are more than capable of devising unified plan to introduce and maintain peace. Yet instead they choose to bicker and threaten each other. It's shameful and embarrassing. Britain, Russia and America are like three little kids bickering whose ball it is, forgetting that it belongs to none of them, they weren't invited, but now they're here they could all play on the same team.

 

I would have said the rest of the world.lol If I were American, I would be voting for Lincoln. Even dead, he would do a better job than those two poseurs.

 

I tend to think there is one thing we miss over here, that happens over there.

Basically they elect the person who will be the candidate who has reached this point.
In our elections, we get stuck with the one the party picks.

So, having said that, these are the two that the population has decided mostly reflect their feelings.
Or is it?
Are they two with the most money to spend?
Trump is saying what he thinks people want to hear, some do, some dont,
Clinton appears to be on something, Boris, much as I hate him, hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the icy stare.

You must admit, a few other candidates have dropped by the wayside since this all began.

One other thing, why do US Presidents always have such long pauses when they make a speech, I find it quite annoying to listen to.