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coconut coir

Discussion in 'Compost, Fertilisers & Recycling' started by mrtibbs, Nov 21, 2013.

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    Our ground was solid clay when we moved here, 50 years ago, and we had an advantage of being surrounded by fields. After harvesting there was always a lot of stubble/straw left on the field which they used to burn off (I said it was the old days :heehee:). Before they burnt it we used to take barrow loads of it and dig it deeply into the clay - in our veggie plot. The straw stops the clay from binding together, helps aerate the ground and takes years to break down completely. Mixed with plenty of garden compost we now find we have brilliant growing soil. Each autumn we add more garden compost to the soil and lightly fork it in and let the little critters do the rest.
     
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      Thanks all. I've read and taken on board everything you've all said, and I think I have a plan.

      I'm thinking I'm going to ditch the coconut coir idea. I might still trial it in another role, for indoor pot grown plants, but the front garden is probably getting a different approach.

      There's a farm not too far from me that sells the old style rectangular bales of straw. Once I've given my potatoes a chance, not that I have much hope for them given the hot dry weather they've suffered, I will probably just dig a few bust up bales of straw into it.

      It may be too late by then, but if not I might also sow in some green manure. Something nitrogen fixing. I thought about clover but I might just spill a load of dried peas out and just leave it.

      I know it still won't be ideal by next spring, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

      Does this sound like a fair plan?
       
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      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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      For green manure you need something that will overwinter if you want to grow stuff next year.
       
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      That would be ideal, but most the mixes I've seen contain grass. I spend too much of my gardening time trying to keep grass out of the front. I figured if I put something in that germinates quickly, even if winter wipes it out it will at least add some bulk.

      But if I can find a seed mix that will survive winter but not become a nightmare next spring then that's what I'll do.
       
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      I use grazing rye, its grass but I've never had it become a weed problem after digging in, it just dies.
       
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        You really need to double dig the first season if you want to get it to work well. Then, following seasons, single digging to to dig in the garden compost. If you want to grow flowers etc. you can only put the garden compost around the plants and rake it in. When first putting in the plants it would be best to make a fair size hole around it and fill with MPC.
         
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          For a cheap source of green manure, sow brown mustard seed.Available at 'asian' food shops, around £1.20 for 200 gms; or Sainsburys as below:
          https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/fudco-brown-mustard-seeds-100g

          Simply broadcast and rake in. Will grow until a heavy frost, keel over and may be hoe-ed in or left for the worms. In a mild year it will survive, requiring you to hoe it. Do not let it flower/seed. (Approximate seeding at 5gms/sq metre)
          Is also edible as a slightly hot salad ingredient while small, similar to rocket
           
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            I got a large coir block and used it and found it performed ok but I can't get past the transport and processing side of it so don't feel it's viable for me
            Plenty of local compost makers around the country for bulk soil improvers which is what I'll be ordering quite soon!
            I grew mustard green manure last year but can't say as I saw any improvement; that said it was the first year of trying to improve very sandy soil
             
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