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Discussion in 'General Gardening Discussion' started by Fat Controller, Apr 16, 2021.

  1. Jiffy

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    We haven't started planting yet, we're normaly 2 weeks behind every one else, all i've done is a few rows of sputs yestureday
     
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      @Fat Controller , Think you will be better just buying some young Toms and Chilli plants from the garden centers, unless they are some special varieties ?

      Keeping them in your unheated greenhouse should be ok though if heavy frosts are forcast then a covering with fleece etc would help.

      Having the same problem, but doing what a local nursery told me , do not be tempted to put them in a bigger pot now, keep them in the same smaller pot eg 3-3.5" and keep them dry, way dryer than you would normally, really waiting until they start drooping, this makes them much thicker plants and slows the growing up spurt.
      They soon romp away when repotted and watered.
       
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        Definitely not too late for sowing seeds of any kind.

        We soak our beans overnight (instead of on damp paper) and then pot up. We only started them this week and shall be doing them in succession for the next few weeks. It's surprising that although seeds may be sown later, and may be smaller to start with, they soon catch up. They're very forgiving.
         
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          @Fat Controller At this time of year just soaking the beans for a couple of hours will be plenty. We do them longer because we do a load at once and we make sure they get sown immediately. If you leave them in overnight and then get caught up with other things they may go a bit soggy. So it's better to just soak them a couple of hours before you know you can put them in.

          We've just done another 200 :phew: and work as a good team. I fill the pots three quarters full, Mrs S places the beans in position, I top up the soil and she puts them in their place on the floor of the greenhouse and waters them.

          At this time of year most seedlings take longer to pop up but because we're having the night frosts it's better to wait a bit for most of them. The ones you have sown may still come up as the days get warmer.
           
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          200! Blimey, I will be happy if I have 10!
           
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            I managed to get 8 tomato plants, 2 cucumber plants and 8 chilli plants at the garden centre today. Not cheap at £2 per plant, but still cheaper than the leggy ones they had on racks outside for £5 each!
             
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              I've got orders for 450 so far and I need to do 200 for myself.
               
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                Is there any way at all that you can keep those indoors until the cold nights are over? Can you put them in the bathroom and close the door, or can Fletch open the door :rolleyespink:

                If you can keep them in there near the window you should turn them 90 degrees each day to stop them leaning towards the light.

                When you eventually put them in the greenhouse the cucumbers should be put at the back of the greenhouse as far from the door as possible and the tomatoes near the door. Cues need humidity and tomatoes dislike it. Chillies don't mind either.
                 
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                  @Fat Controller , if indoors space is at premium, can you go upwards? A cheapy open shelving against a window will give a lot of seedling growing space, and will not look too bad even in a living room behind the sofa.

                  Or, hanging baskets from the curtain rod will hold a lot of seedlings and if the rod is sturdy, even hanging a shelf is possible.

                  Instead of curtains, I have a narrow shelving in the kitchen against the back glass door, growlights allow a good use of the lower shelves and the higher ones get enough natural light.

                  Nice to hear you got plants for your vouchers, it gives a good start and you have supported someone who does the seed sowing and growing on professionally for you. :)
                   
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                    The only window that used to take shelving was one side of the French doors at the back of the living room - the trouble now is that we have a fish tank and physio kit in the way with no room to move anything. As the night temps are going up, I will just have to give it a shot from here on and see how we get on.
                     
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                      I wouldn't risk cucumbers in a greenhouse tonight, certain death as frost is due. I haven't even sown mine yet. Be better off bringing them indoors and in a cardboard box or even in a cupboard overnight, to stop doggie finding them. They can go back outside in the greenhouse in the morning.
                       
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                        As you have your shed next to the greenhouse why not use a short extension lead and put a seed tray sized electric propagator or heating pad / cable on your bench and make a little tent out of polythene etc to hold the heat in overnight.

                        Could do a similar thing with a larger 'tent' and a small electric heater on minimum / anti frost setting.

                        You will probably need to watch the temp during the day and add some shading as its been getting very hot in the greenhouse during these cold but very sunny days.
                         
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                          Don't be disheartened @Fat Controller ! I remember a book on growing from seed by Christopher Lloyd where he argued that leaving it later when the sun heats everything was fine for him, as things often catch up. If your greenhouse is very cold, have you room to to use a polystyrene fishbox in it to keep things in and put lid on when weather is due to frost?
                           
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                            It is an odd greenhouse - roasting most of the time, but it will lose heat as soon as blink overnight. The whole thing sits on a 4" x 2" wooden frame which is at ground level at the front, but about four inches off the ground at the rear and the rear is the shady/back end. I always meant to go around and screw on some plywood on the inside to shield the gap under the frame... meant to, but never did. I think the frame will need replacing now before I attempted to do anything with it.

                            Now that the night temps are coming up, I suppose we never know. I haven't ditched the seeds that were sown a few weeks back - they are still in the trays, so they might just have stalled with the cold.
                             
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                              Don't be too sure, last nights weather forcast suggested there might be another Arctic blast next weekend !!
                               
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