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Oh sugar.... the barrel or ground game

Discussion in 'General Gardening Discussion' started by Fat Controller, May 26, 2021.

  1. Fat Controller

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    It seems that my memory impairment might be worse than I knew.... like a lot of us, I've been worried for weeks about the weather and growing stuff from seed with little success. We did pay the odd visit to garden centres, but (I didn't think) we had bought that much..... given the weather, most of it was either kept in the greenhouse or was popped into our half empty barrels where they could be sheltered from the winds etc.

    Having gone out to potter in the 'glasshouse of disappointment' today, I moved on the tiniest of tomato seedlings as well as putting some chives into a trough before moving on to having a look at more stuff outside, and that is when I started lifting stuff out of barrels...

    Turns out, I have cauliflower (x4) that I forgot about and these are in addition to savoy cabbage and black kale.

    I thought Mrs C had bought leeks - they are in fact spring onions! Given I never have any success with them normally, they should be fun; in a barrel with fresh compost, or in the ground?

    I have mangetout I forgot I had as well as dwarf peas in addition to early onward peas (will these all be happy in barrels or do they really need to be out in the ground somewhere?)

    I also have herbs (three types of sage, thyme, rosemary, parsley, coriander) to accommodate.

    What worries me more than a wee bit... as I forgot about all of these, I did a bit of a panic job and ordered some T&M plugs (so cheap that if they die it barely matters) and have 15 dwarf French beans coming as well. As these are going to be plugs, would it be best to put them in barrels and the more established plants in the ground?

    I seem to have gone from hardly any plants to being over-run almost overnight!
     
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    • ricky101

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      Join the Club, better start a new Memory Loss section in the forum :old::biggrin:

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        I grow a lot of dwarf french beans, but these days only grow the fine (AJA fillet) varieties such as Safari and Ferrari. Mine are sown 2 or 3 seeds per small flexi pot or each cell of a 24 x insert tray. I find multi seed sowings produce a heavier crop for the area on plan, plus help ensures small diameter beans that can be cooked whole with the only preparation required being snipping the ends off with scissors.

        This is 50 such flexi pots of Safari that were sown in propagators only 9 days ago, brought on under growlights and will go into a polytunnel tomorrow, then be hardened off (protected against leaf scorch) and planted out 14 days after sowing. All they cost were 99p/packet from Premier Seeds and some MPC. I'll put some more in shortly after planting those out.

        I have planted them into pots (ex Morrisons flower buckets) for putting in polytunnels earlier than I would plant in open ground (can be placed amongst small cordon toms), but they do not crop as well, but don't know whether that's due to planting in containers or under cover. My last sowing will be to plant in those Morrisons pots placed around the base of polytunnel tomatoes when they get their lower leaves removed late in the season.

        It's well worth growing a few extra plants to save seeds from.

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          That is really interesting as the 15 coming from T&M are Safari (you watch, they will arrive dead now I have said that!) - would you say these are happy in barrels then @Scrungee?
           
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          Sorry, who are you again? :biggrin: ;) :old:
           
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            I was thinking of the barrels as big pots which didn't do as well as open ground.

            Not too late for another couple of sowings, I'll probably sow at least 2 more packets (of 130 seeds each). My saved seeds were getting a bit old, so my second sowing will be very soon so some of the first lot can go to seed and have sufficient time to ripen Dwarf French Bean Safari – Premier Seeds Direct
             
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              Thanks :) Not sure I would have much room for another sowing. What about the peas? Easier to add canes and train in the barrels I think?
               
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              @Fat Controller have you got a photo of your barrels I kind of remember them but not exactly how big they are and how many?
               
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              Peas don't take up much room as they grow verticaly. If there's nowhere else, I suppose some canes pushed in at the back of a row of barrels with some chicken wire or weldmesh would take up very little of the soil surface, wire mesh strung along the back of several barrels, or small curved individual pieces. French beans around the perimeter hanging slightly over the edge would help prevent muddy pods (I grow through Mypex).

              If you've got any trailing squashes (if light enough) they could be grown in the same way to make the best use of space.
               
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                I have squash seeds but did not get them sown before I keeled over again - guessing it is too late to start them off this year now, so probably best to hold on to them until next year?
                 
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                These are my squash plants (and french beans) that will have been sown for only 10 days by this afternoon, those beans will go out in a couple of days after aclimatising to outside conditions and my runners sown on same day are being planted out today with some fleece around the structure to protect against strong sunlight and wind as they already want to start climbing.

                There's normally enough seeds in Premier's packets to try some this year and have plenty left for next year. It doesn't take long at this time of year to get stuff ready for planting. Seeds from PremierSeeds are only 99p, or slightly more from Amazon but with next day Prime delivery and even without a heated propagator it will be nice and warm up in the apex of a greenhouse this weekend.

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                P.S. Those small Gherkins at the front middle were only sown several days ago for a friend of Mrs Scrungee's who's sowing failed to germinate/cat got them or something like that.
                 
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                  I might give some of those squash seeds a shot then :) My heated prop died a few years back, so that is a non-starter. Nothing to stop me starting them on the living room windowsill though
                   
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                  Living in the north of the UK I have struggled to get a decent crop of courgettes outside in the veg garden so tend to grow them in the greenhouse. They take up a great deal of room and sprawl all over the place. I read that you can grow them up canes like you would perhaps Cucumbers and you can remove the lower leaves (without affecting the crop) so as not to take up so much space. I am going to try this this year in my greenhouse. If you liked courgettes you could maybe try growing them this way too, in your barrels, but living where you do you could be successful just having them outside. You might need a step ladder to pick them though as they grow quite tall this way I would imagine! It is getting a bit late to be sowing seed but Courgette seed usually germinates very fast in a nice warm spot on a windowsill so I think there would still be time to be successful.
                   
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                    Welcome aboard @hailbopp :sign0016: - lovely to have your company.

                    Believe it or not, I am allergic to cucumbers (I can handle the plants, but not eat them) and am not a fan of courgettes - my better half is the one who eats these. I do like a butternut squash, and was given the squash seeds that I have by a very good friend who tells me they are really tasty, but as mentioned above I am late sowing due to recent illness (stick around a while and you will get used to me keeling over.... :biggrin:)

                    I originally come from the north of the country myself (live in the London area now) and speaking to my mum she tells me that things are only just starting to sprout now where she is - the whole country has been cold this year I think.
                     
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                      OK, a bit more movement...


                      These are sweetcorn, carrots and brassicas that will be planted out further down the garden... The chives will stay in that trough, but no idea currently where that trough will go.

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                      Mangetout at the back, dwarf (patio) peas at the front
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                      Rosemary, Oregano, Thyme, Spring Onions, Curled Parsley, French Parsley
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                      Beetroot (x2), mangetout (rough as hell), mangetout (better) - - the mangetout came from two different garden centres and the difference between them is really remarkable.
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                      Mint, mangetout, peas (early onward), dwarf peas
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                      The "wise" box (sage)
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                      Two barrels retained for the 15 bean plants due to arrive, and I have utterly knackered myself believe it or not.
                       
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