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Roundup weedkiller

Discussion in 'General Gardening Discussion' started by miraflores, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. NigelJ

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    UK didn't ban it until 1984. Now banned for agricultural use pretty much everywhere, India and North Korea may still use it. However it is still permitted for use as a disease vector control, so used for malaria control etc. About 3000-4000 tonnes per year are made for this use.
     
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      As long as you don't tell anyone. :heehee:
       
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        No chemicals at all on veg or fruit. :)
        Glyphosate used sparingly on the odd weed that shows in gravel path......did use it on oxalis but now find it better to dig it out.
        Spot spray the occasional weeds in lawns....never use a weed n feed just a feed.
        Early in the year I used an insecticide on lilies.....no damage whatsoever on lilies this year and plenty of bees, butterflies, birds and the like. Thinking about it though, I cant recall seeing many ladybirds!!
        Careful and very limited application of pellets for slugs in spring and prob again sfter this wet spell but the torch and saline solution at night is main regime.
        Nematodes for slugs and for pests in veg garden were used and I will soon apply nematodes for leatherjackets in lawns
        All in all very few chemicals used here
         
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        One day someone will work out that just living is dangerous.

        I've spent 48 yrs breathing in hardwood dust, they know it is carcinogenic, have done for 30 yrs or so, maybe more, but nobody cares, basically because it only causes cancer on certain people.

        Nothing is black and white and often things only affect certain people in certain ways, you just go through life hoping it's never going to happen to you.

        You have to, otherwise you would never drive a car again, get on a plane, or eat that bacon sandwich.:smile:
         
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          There are a few things I really don't get with all this (probably me being thick to be fair) - firstly, the World Health Organisation has said that Glyphosate is carcinogenic, yet Monsanto (Bayer) say it isn't. Both will obviously have done considerable scientific analysis before arriving at their conclusions, but which is right?

          Clearly, Monsanto could/will have paid for studies to be done, or indeed carried them out in house, and thereby negating the whole exercise as far as I am concerned (if you look hard enough for an answer, you will find a way to reach that answer). But, equally, how many times have we been told that something is bad for us, only to have that reversed further down the line? Could this be the case with the WHO?

          And if this stuff truly is as bad as it is being made out to be, why is it still widely available, and not subject to some sort of regulation or control? Surely if any agency can control the use of certain things that are harmful, it is the WHO?

          And finally, it seems that Monsanto were really quite hated as a company, with a lot of this kind of stuff being said about their products all over the place - if they really were that bad, how were prior complaints not proven?
           
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              I'm no fan of Monsanto, but my issue is that it's a jury in the U.S. that has decided Glyphosate causes cancer, rather than a panel of scientists.

              Whatever next, a U.S. panel of 12 jurors deciding whether or not global climate change is caused by man made CO2 emissions - would you accept their verdict?
               
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                I agree @Scrungee - however, it is not a jury that has decided it causes cancer, the World Health Organisation has done that. Now, whilst I am not saying that the WHO are definitely correct, I personally would much rather take the advice of the WHO over a company who only has profit as a concern.
                 
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                Its just stupid, there are lots of everyday stuff out there which are dangerous to health, I'm guessing the problem here is that glyphosate is only made by the one company, Monsanto?

                If we were talking about a substance that many different companies produce, I doubt it would have reached this stage.

                I'm too busy dodging traffic fumes every day to worry about the small amount of contact I have with glyphosate.
                 
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                  Scientists are like economists.....they never agree.
                   
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                    It won't stop me using it @pete - it is stupid, and yes I do wonder if it is partly because it is just the one company; but, for Homebase to jump as quick as they have, smells a bit to me - especially as they are in the brown smelly stuff up to their neck at the moment themselves
                     
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                      Yes it is, that's what this thread is about, the jury has made that decision. A verdict is a decision.

                       
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                    • pete

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                      I think for one reason or another there seems to be an official hate campaign against Monsanto, ok they are a large chemical company.
                      But I've never quite understood what the problem people have with them as opposed to other large chemical companies.
                       
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                      I think its more to do with their gmo seeds and the way they force farmers into buying seed and not allowing some seed to be kept back from harvest to be used as seed the next year.

                      Hundreds of Indian farmers have commited suicide because of this and the massive debts run up because Monsantos harsh practices. The seed hasnt delivered on monsantos promises either
                       
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