SUPER SALVIAS -2017

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    S invoculcrata looks like Love and Wishes, but with more leaves
     
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    Waverley is looking stunning at the moment.....leucanthemum slow this year but now looking good. Will post pics later today or in a couple of days :)
     
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    All very nice Nigel!
    My S.involucrata is barely in bud and it looks as if S.darcyi isn't even going to try to bloom.
     
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      S.involucrata is a very different plant to 'Love and Wishes'. It is a species as opposed to a hybrid and the inflorescense is very different................
      [​IMG]Salvia involucrata "Bethelii" by longk48, on Flickr

      [​IMG]Salvia "Love and Wishes" by longk48, on Flickr

      It is far hardier than 'Love and Wishes'. It is also a seasonal bloomer whereas 'Love and Wishes' has an extremely long bloom period.

      Both are cracking Salvia in my opinion!
       
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        I've grown a few S.atrocyanea from seed this year. Here are two of the resulting plants side by side.
        [​IMG]Salvia atrocyanea by longk48, on Flickr

        As you can see one is darker, the other the more classic almost lavender colour. One of the joys of Salvia from seed.
         
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          S darcyi was in flower when I bought it from Hill House, spur of the moment purchase. The S.involucrata is about 6 years old now and has been cut back hard a couple of times. I tend to prefer species and selections of to out and out hybrids.
          I often find that salvia I grow from seed in spring time do not flower until well into autumn or the following year. Not sure wether this is down to them or my cultivation, perhaps I could give them a bit more protection earlier on or pot them on a bit quicker.
           
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            Exactly that I think Nigel......as early as possible a start for some of them :)
             
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            That is inevitable when you visit Hill House. You can go with the best of intentions yet always come away with something extra!

            That tends to be the case here too. Obviously that doesn't apply to the annuals and S.patens is a reliable exception as well.
            I tend to keep two or three in pots and then plant out the best one the following year. So when to pot on can be a tricky one to call as we only have so much space for potted plants.
             
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              Another plant arrival today, yet another potted plant without a home. :noidea:
              I lift some of my tender perennials in autumn but this year I will keep more of them in the ground. Patens survives here over winter anyway.:)
              Those in the gh do appear earlier but no noticeable difference in mid summer
               
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                A couple have managed to bloom before the cold front arrives:

                Salvia elegans................
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                Salvia involucrata..............
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                  @longk As always BEEutiful :wub2:
                   
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                    Salvia species from Catamarica, seed from Robin's Salvias 2016
                    Salvia species from Catamarica.JPG
                    Salvia corrugata
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                      @NigelJ - I love S.corrugata but it isn't hardy enough for the Cotswolds.
                       
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                        I will overwinter it in a cold greenhouse, take some cuttings from it next year and experiment with it outside in a sheltered spot.
                         
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                          Salvia guaranitica 'Black and Bloom'..................
                          [​IMG]Salvia guaranitica 'Black and Bloom' by longk48, on Flickr

                          I'm not sure that 'Black and Bloom' is a true Salvia guaranitica as it is not a tuberous plant - it comes back fro viable growth above ground. If you can get 'Amistad' through the winter then it should be a fair bet but if you can't get 'Amistad' through the winter then you may be better off with Salvia gauranitica "Black and Blue".................
                          [​IMG]Salvia "Black and Blue" by longk48, on Flickr

                          Being tuberous it is a true Salvia gauranitica and is very hardy.

                          Salvia urica is really only an annual but it self seeds freely..............
                          [​IMG]Salvia urica by longk48, on Flickr

                          @Verdun has mentioned Salvia greggii "Blue Note" and I agree that it is a great Salvia. Low growing with a long bloom season and it is fully hardy..................
                          [​IMG]Salvia greggii "Blue Note" by longk48, on Flickr

                          Not the dark blue that you asked for but a couple more tuberous Salvias to think about;
                          Salvia atrocyanea.....................
                          [​IMG]Salvia atrocyanea by longk48, on Flickr

                          It grows anything up to two metres and blooms late summer. Spectacularly good!

                          Salvia patens.................
                          [​IMG]Salvia patens by longk48, on Flickr

                          Should be hardy in London.
                           
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